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\r\n If some people prefer a specific vintage sax over a modern one, why can\'t technology and all that modern stuff help make a better saxophone? Cars now are more fuel-efficiant and/or have better preformance than older cars. What about saxophones?\r\n
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    \r\n until they make a more fuel efficient saxophone i\'m sticking with my yts 62\r\n
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    \r\n It\'s a subjective matter really, but for all intents and purposes, modern saxophones are more perfect in terms of tone and intonation. Some players, most who have grown up on vintage, feel that older horns have more character and are more flexible. Some have even learned how to use the quirks of vintage horns to their advantage. Take for instance, a note that blows flat and needs to be lipped up can more easily be used when you are intentionally trying to bend that note.
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    \r\nI also feel that there is a certain mystic with old instruments that can not be duplicated by their modern counterparts. There\'s something cool about playing on a 60 year old Buescher 400 as opposed to a run of the mill Yamaha Custom or Selmer Serie II. After all, the latter are still being made in abundance as the former is becoming harder and harder to find.
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    \r\nFinally, a lot of vintage horns seem to have advantages in certain areas. IMHO nothing compares to the deep low end of the old Bueschers, or the booming sound of the old Conns, or the screaming altissimo of the old Kings. Of course, all of these horns had weaknesses that rivaled their strengths. The modern horn is designed to be the best possible compromise between feel, tone, and intonation. Some players like em, while others feel that modern horns sound "neutered".
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    ...Of course, all of these horns had weaknesses that rivaled their strengths. The modern horn is designed to be the best possible compromise between feel, tone, and intonation.
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    Yeah: I think most modern horns try to be all things to all people—within a vague sense of "Mark VI-ishness."
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    \r\nThe modern horns I\'ve most often heard compared to vintage seem to be going for a vague sense of American horn, albeit not with the specifics of any single one.
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    \r\nI do agree, though, that the Series III can compete with an average Mark VI (at least the tenors).
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    \r\nI also have a theory about how we, as a society, have traded quality for convenience: we accept things that don\'t work quite as well as they used to because they are easier to use and/or easier to manufacture in a one-size-fits-all way. But I\'m just a prematurely cranky old dude, so that might just be a crackpot theory.\r\n
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    \r\n The best sounding tenor that I ever had was a 1942 Buescher Big B, and like the idiot that I occasionally become, I let it get away from me. I have a great Randy Jones Reference 36 now, but I sure do miss that Buescher\r\n
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    The best sounding tenor that I ever had was a 1942 Buescher Big B, and like the idiot that I occasionally become, I let it get away from me. I have a great Randy Jones Reference 36 now, but I sure do miss that Buescher
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    I think this illustrates JL\'s point perfectly: I would choose the Buescher over the Selmer not because vintage horns are better per se, but because I might actually be able to afford the Buescher.
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    If some people prefer a specific vintage sax over a modern one, why can\'t technology and all that modern stuff help make a better saxophone? Cars now are more fuel-efficiant and/or have better preformance than older cars. What about saxophones?
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    For what it\'s worth I play all new(ish) horns-' + '- Z tenor, Series III alto, YSS475 soprano. I used to play vintage tenors but I prefer the Z to anything I\'ve ever owned, and my Series III plays as well as any Mark VI I\'ve ever tried. When the C# vent isn\'t leaking... there\'s one piece of technology I could do without...\r\n
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      Question Vintage saxes vs. modern saxes and technology

      If some people prefer a specific vintage sax over a modern one, why can't technology and all that modern stuff help make a better saxophone? Cars now are more fuel-efficiant and/or have better preformance than older cars. What about saxophones?

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