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    Default Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    These are Yamaha's recommended ventings for most Yamaha saxes (in mm):

    Soprano - YSS-475/675/875:

    Low Bb - 7.5
    Low B - 8.0
    Low C# - 7.2
    Low C - 7.2
    Eb - 5.5
    D - 6.8
    E - 6.3
    F - 6.3
    F# - 5.7
    G# - 5.8
    G - 6.3
    A - 4.9
    Bb - 4.6
    B - 4.9
    C - 4.1
    High E - 3.0
    Side F# - 5.6
    Side Bb - 3.1
    Side C - 3.1
    High D - 3.0
    High Eb - 3.0
    High F - 3.0
    Front F - 1.8
    High F# - 3.0
    Lower 8ve - 3.0
    Upper 8ve - 3.0

    YSS-62:

    Low Bb - 6.9
    Low B - 7.5
    Low C# - 8.4
    Low C - 7.2
    Eb - 5.0
    D - 7.7
    E - 7.0
    F - 7.0
    F# - 6.2
    G# - 7.1
    G - 6.1
    A - 4.6
    Bb - 4.3
    B - 4.6
    C - lower 3.7, upper 3.8
    High E - 3.0
    Side F# - 5.6
    Side Bb - 3.1
    Side C - 3.1
    High D - 3.0
    High Eb - 3.0
    High F - 3.0
    Front F - 1.8
    High F# - 3.0
    Lower 8ve - 3.0
    Upper 8ve - 3.0

    Alto - YAS-855/875:

    Low Bb - 10.0
    Low B - 10.8
    Low C# - 8.5
    Low C - 10.0
    Eb - 8.0
    D - 9.3
    E - 8.5
    F - 8.1
    F# - 7.6
    G# - 7.5
    G - 7.0
    A - 5.9
    Bb - 5.4
    B - 5.6
    C - 4.8
    High E - 4.5
    Side F# - 6.0
    Side Bb - 4.5
    Side C - 4.6
    High D - 4.0
    High Eb - 4.0
    High F - 4.0
    Front F - 2.0
    Body pip - 3.0
    High F# - 4.0
    Neck pip - 3.0

    YAS-23/25/275/32/475/52/575/62:

    Low Bb - 8.5
    Low B - 9.0
    Low C# - 10.0
    Low C - 10.0
    Eb - 8.0
    D - 9.7
    E - 8.8
    F - 8.4
    F# - 8.0
    G# - 8.0
    G - 7.5
    A - 6.1
    Bb - 5.5
    B - 5.8
    C - 5.0
    High E - 4.5
    Side F# - 6.0
    Side Bb - 4.6
    Side C - 4.7
    High D - 4.0
    High Eb - 4.0
    High F - 4.0
    Front F - 2.0
    Body pip - 2.5
    High F# - 4.0 (YAS-23 - n/a)
    Neck pip - 3.0

    Tenor - YTS-875:

    Low Bb - 9.3
    Low B - 10.2
    Low C# - 9.7
    Low C - 10.6
    Eb - 7.8
    D - 9.0
    E - 7.9
    F - 8.4
    F# - 7.1
    G# - 7.1
    G - 7.0
    A - 5.5
    Bb - 5.0
    B - 5.5
    C - 4.9
    High E - 4.5
    Side F# - 5.5
    Side Bb - 5.5
    Side C - 4.5
    High D - 4.5
    High Eb - 4.5
    High F - 4.5
    Front F - 3.0
    Body pip - 2.5
    High F# - 4.0
    Neck pip - 3.0

    YTS-23/25/275/32/475/52/575/62:

    Low Bb - 9.8
    Low B - 10.0
    Low C# - 9.0
    Low C - 10.6
    Eb - 7.8
    D - 9.0
    E - 7.9
    F - 8.4
    F# - 7.1
    G# - 7.1
    G - 7.0
    A - 5.5
    Bb - 5.0
    B - 5.5
    C - 4.3
    High E - 4.5
    Side F# - 5.5
    Side Bb - 5.5
    Side C - 4.5
    High D - 4.5
    High Eb - 4.5
    High F - 4.5
    Front F - 3.0
    Body pip - 2.5
    High F# - 4.0 (YTS-23 - n/a)
    Neck pip - 3.0

    Baritone - YBS-32/52/62:

    Low A - 12.8
    Low Bb - 11.5
    Low B - 13.2
    Low C# - 10.0
    Low C - 12.0
    Eb - 9.5
    D - 10.2
    E - 9.5
    F - 9.7
    F# - 8.0
    G# - 8.0
    G - 8.7
    A - 8.2
    Bb - 7.1
    B - 7.7
    C - 6.9
    High E - 6.0
    Side F# - 6.5
    Side Bb - 6.5
    Side C - 6.5
    High D - 6.2
    High Eb - 6.2
    High F - 6.2
    Front F - 5.5
    Body pip - lower 4.1, upper 7.3
    High F# - 5.5 (YBS-32/52 - n/a)
    Neck pip - 3.0
    Last edited by Chris Peryagh; 11-23-2008 at 03:54 PM.
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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    Just to clarify a few things:

    Low Bb
    Low B
    Low C#
    Low C - RH4
    Eb
    D - RH3
    E - RH2
    F - RH1
    F# - RH G vent/bridge key
    G# - G# pad cup
    G - LH3
    A - LH2
    Bb - Bis key
    B - LH1
    C - open C# vent
    High E
    Side F# - RH3
    Side Bb
    Side C
    High D
    High Eb
    High F
    Front F - Opening of the High F pad when opened by front F key
    Body pip - lower 8ve vent
    High F#
    Neck pip - Crook key

    On double keys (YSS-62 open C# vent and YBS-32/52/62 double lower 8ve vent) -
    a:X.X - lower pad
    b:X.X - upper pad

    Although they list the venting for every single pad, you only really need the ventings for a few pads and the others will be determined by these. In my opinion, the most important ventings are:

    Low Bb - this will determine the venting for the low B key
    Low C# - adjust by sliding the linkage
    Low C
    Eb
    D (RH3) - determines venting for RH main action, vent/bridge key and G# pad
    G (LH3) - determines venting of lower 8ve vent (and remove as much lost motion in 8ve mechanism to get good venting)
    A (LH2) - determines venting for LH1, Bis key (use the adjustment bar to alter the leverage to regulate it with RH main action) and open C# vent
    Side Bb and C
    Palm keys
    Front F - adjust by bending or sliding the linkage
    High E and F#
    Lower 8ve vent - determined by LH3 and determines venting on crook key, but have a maximum gap of 0.5mm between the shift lever and the crook key (bend the crook key to get this gap).
    Last edited by Chris Peryagh; 11-23-2008 at 06:05 PM.
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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    excellent.

    saving the yts 62 settings..

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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    Here's another list for 62 soprano and bari and Custom models which may differ slightly from the other charts:

    Soprano - YSS-62:

    Low Bb - 7.5
    Low B - 7.5
    Low C# - 7.2
    Low C - 7.2
    Eb - 5.5
    D - 6.8
    E - 6.3
    F - 6.3
    F# - 5.6
    G# - 5.8
    G - 5.5
    A - 5.0
    Bb - 4.3
    B - 4.6
    C - a:3.7 b:3.8
    High E - 3.0
    Side F# - 5.6
    Side Bb - 3.1
    Side C - 3.1
    High D - 3.0
    High Eb - 3.0
    High F - 3.0
    (Front F) - 1.8
    Lower vent tube - 2.5
    High F# - 3.0
    Upper vent tube - a:3.0 b:4.6 (? - there's only the one upper vent tube)

    YSS-875:

    Low Bb - 8.0
    Low B - 7.5
    Low C# - 7.2
    Low C - 7.2
    Eb - 4.5
    D - 6.8
    E - 6.3
    F - 6.3
    F# - 5.7
    G# - 5.8
    G - 6.3
    A - 4.9
    Bb - 4.6
    B - 4.9
    C - 4.1
    High E - 3.0
    Side F# - 5.6
    Side Bb - 3.1
    Side C - 3.1
    High D - 3.0
    High Eb - 3.0
    High F - 3.0
    (Front F) - 1.8
    Lower vent tube - 3.0
    High F# - 3.0
    Upper vent tube - 3.0

    I assume the High G on the YSS-875EXHG should also be 3.0

    Alto - YAS-82Z:

    Low Bb - 8.4
    Low B - 9.0
    Low C# - 10.0
    Low C - 10.0
    Eb - 8.0
    D - 9.7
    E - 8.8
    F - 8.4
    F# - 8.0
    G# - 7.5
    G - 7.5
    A - 6.1
    Bb - 5.5
    B - 5.8
    C - 5.0
    High E - 4.0
    Side F# - 6.0
    Side Bb - 4.6
    Side C - 4.7
    High D - 4.0
    High Eb - 4.0
    High F - 4.0
    (Front F) 2.0
    Lower vent tube - 2.5
    High F# - 4.0
    Upper vent tube - 3.0

    YAS-875:

    Low Bb - 10.0
    Low B - 10.8
    Low C# - 8.5
    Low C - 10.0
    Eb - 8.0
    D - 9.3
    E - 8.5
    F - 8.1
    F# - 7.6
    G# - 8.0
    G - 7.0
    A - 6.4
    Bb - 5.8
    B - 6.1
    C - 5.1
    High E - 4.0*
    Side F# - 6.0
    Side Bb - 4.5
    Side C - 4.6
    High D - 3.5*
    High Eb - 3.5*
    High F - 3.5*
    (Front F) - 2.0
    Lower vent tube - 3.0
    High F# - 3.5*
    Upper vent tube - 3.0

    * With M1/G1 neck + 0.5mm

    Tenor - YTS-82Z:

    Low Bb - 9.8
    Low B - 10.0
    Low C# - 9.0
    Low C - 10.6
    Eb - 7.8
    D - 9.0
    E - 7.9
    F - 8.4
    F# - 7.7
    G# - 7.1
    G - 7.0
    A - 5.5
    Bb - 5.0
    B - 5.5
    C - 4.3
    High E - 4.5
    Side F# - 5.5
    Side Bb - 5.5
    Side C - 5.5
    High D - 4.5
    High Eb - 4.5
    High F - 4.5
    (Front F) - 4.5
    Lower vent tube - 2.5
    High F# - 4.5
    Upper vent tube - 3.0

    YTS-875:

    Low Bb - 9.3
    Low B - 10.2
    Low C# - 9.7
    Low C - 10.6
    Eb - 7.8
    D - 9.0
    E - 8.0
    F - 8.4
    F# - 7.6
    G# - 7.5
    G - 8.0
    A - 6.3
    Bb - 5.9
    B - 6.3
    C - 4.9
    High E - 4.5
    Side F# - 5.5
    Side Bb - 5.5
    Side C - 5.5
    High D - 4.5
    High Eb - 4.5
    High F - 4.5
    (Front F) - 4.5
    Lower vent tube - 2.5
    High F# - 4.0
    Upper vent tube - 3.0

    Baritone - YBS-62II:

    Low A - 12.8
    Low Bb - 11.5
    Low B - 13.2
    Low C# - 10.0
    Low C - 12.0
    Eb - 9.5
    D - 10.2
    E - 9.5
    F - 9.7
    F# - 9.2
    G# - 8.0
    G - 8.7
    A - 8.2
    Bb - 7.1
    B - 7.7
    C - 6.9
    High E - 6.0
    Side F# - 6.5
    Side Bb - 6.5
    Side C - 6.5
    High D - 6.2
    High Eb - 6.2
    High F - 6.2
    (Front F) - 5.5
    Lower vent tube - a:4.1 b:7.3
    High F# - 5.5
    Upper vent tube - 3.0
    Last edited by Chris Peryagh; 11-25-2008 at 12:08 AM.
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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    And here's more for 21/61 series saxes (except 61 soprano):

    Alto - YAS-21/61:

    Low Bb - 8.5
    Low B - 9.0
    Low C# - 8.0
    Low C - 10.0
    Eb - 8.1
    D - 9.1
    E - 8.3
    F - 8.0
    F# - 7.5
    G# - 7.5
    G - 7.0
    A - 5.5
    Bb Bis - 5.0
    B - 5.3
    C - 4.6
    High E - 4.5
    Side F# - 7.0
    Side Bb - 4.6
    Side C - 4.7
    High D - 4.0
    High Eb - 4.0
    High F - 4.0
    High F# - 4.0 (YAS-21 - n/a)
    Lower 8ve - 2.0
    Upper 8ve - 3.0

    Tenor - YTS-21/61:

    Low Bb - 10.0
    Low B - 10.0
    Low C# - 9.0
    Low C - 10.6
    Eb - 7.8
    D - 9.0
    E - 8.0
    F - 8.4
    F# - 7.8
    G# - 8.2
    G - 7.0
    A - 5.5
    Bb Bis - 5.2
    B - 5.5
    C - 4.1
    High E - 5.0
    Side F# - 6.5
    Side Bb - 5.5
    Side C - 5.5
    High D - 4.5
    High Eb - 4.5
    High F - 5.0
    High F# - 5.0 (YTS-21 - n/a)
    Lower 8ve - 2.0
    Upper 8ve - 3.0

    Baritone - YBS-61:

    Low A - 12.5
    Low Bb - 11.7
    Low B - 11.0
    Low C# - 12.4
    Low C - 12.0
    Eb - 7.5
    D - 10.2
    E - 9.6
    F - 9.7
    F# - 9.2
    G# - 10.3
    G - 8.5
    A - 7.5
    Bb Bis - 6.5
    B - 7.5
    C - 6.3
    High E - 6.0
    Side F# - 6.5
    Side Bb - 6.5
    Side C - 6.5
    High D - 6.0
    High Eb - 6.0
    High F - 6.0
    Lower 8ve - 2.0
    Upper 8ve - 2.5

    For YSS-61, use the YSS-62 list as a guide.

    Right, I think that's most Yamaha saxes covered.
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    Chris, you are a champ! Moderator: please make this a sticky.
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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    Quote Originally Posted by soybean View Post
    Chris, you are a champ! Moderator: please make this a sticky.
    Will do.
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    Thumbs up Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    Thanks Chris. I used the venting info to check my old purple logo YAS-62 and found that many of the pads were set too close. Adjusted them near as I could to the list and the sound improved in depth and intonation. Interesting how wide the alto pads are supposed to be on the lower stack compared to tenor.

    BTW: I found a useful measuring device for this task was a set of standard drill bits from 2mm to 10mm. I used the un-threaded end to check the gaps. Not sure if this is standard recommended practice but it got the job done!

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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    I use drill bits to measure ventings as well. They're always to hand and I find them much easier to use than thin metal feeler gauges - far easier to hold.

    It is odd that altos have larger RH ventings than tenors - in theory it'd be the other way round. But if they found this to work best then it's worth going along with.
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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    Now that I know what the venting should be, how do I go about making adjustments to the horn?

    Is there documentations or tutorials anywhere? or do you suggest I just take my horn into Chuck Levins to have it adjusted/fixed?

    fyi: I have yss 875

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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    Take it in, unless you have experience. There are DVDs, books and classes as well.
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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    All measurements are taken from between the top of the tonehole and the area of the pad surface immediately on the inside circumference of the impression.
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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    Thanks for posting these, Chris. I know you don't claim such, but my tech (Ken Beason) has never assessed manufacturer venting heights when regulating my saxophone. These are suggested average heights and may not suit one's playing tastes or desires. I don't think people should be flocking to their techs to have their respective Yamaha horns set at these heights.

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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    Do the second set of YAS-875 measurements apply to the original Custom or the EX? Just out of curiosity, where and when were these venting lists published?

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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    These lists were published only a couple of years back at the most, so they're reasonably current. The ventings for the YAS-875 will apply to the EX as that's an 875.
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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    Yamaha pad size charts: http://www.saxontheweb.net/vbulletin...d.php?t=116217

    (just putting this here so I can find it)
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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    Quote Originally Posted by jjmt333 View Post
    my tech… has never assessed manufacturer venting heights when regulating my saxophone. …I don't think people should be flocking to their techs to have their respective Yamaha horns set at these heights.
    I agree. An experienced tech like yours doesn't need the lists and can "eyeball" the venting. However, this information could be important if someone is having intonation issues. More than once, i have compared my saxes to Chris's lists. It is usually the side keys or palm keys where the venting will be off. Usually, they are too open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Peryagh View Post
    It is odd that altos have larger RH ventings than tenors - in theory it'd be the other way round.
    I wonder if this could be a typo or mix-up at Yamaha. If anyone here has contact with Yamaha, please ask them if their lists are correct as far as right hand keys on the altos and tenors.

    I've been playing my 875ex a lot in comparison with other saxes and the key openings are definitely the widest of all my altos. It's starting to irritate me as it's harder to play fast passages where the fingers really have to fly. I'm thinking of having the action taken down lower than recommended.
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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    I just got the yas-875EX back from the shop. We discovered that the pads were actually higher than factory recommendations! The pads have been lowered slightly below Yamaha's recommendations and the spring tension was reduced. It plays easier and the projection is just as good as before (this is a loud alto!). Intonation quirks are the same.
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    Default Re: Yamaha Pad Venting Lists...

    How do you make the measurement? At the edge of the tone hole? at the more opened edge? cause trying to measure from the center is very difficult.

    Thanks

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