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    +1 for TCHelicon Voicelive, I have two of their 'Touch' models, one for sax, one for vocals. These you press fit into the mike stand when setting up pre-gig below the mic itself, and everything is by backlit touch control and led indicators, so much better than stompbox groping around on the floor to change settings. I use the sax one to add double and octave down to get a good soul sax section with baritone added to tenor. I use SM57s via the TC into the main desk. I find in-ear monitoring absolutely essential to hear exactly what the Helicon is putting through the PA.

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    Anyone have any opinions between the TC Helicon Voicelive Play and Boss VE-20? I'm looking at going with one of these, but can't decide which would be better. I know the VE-20 has a looper, but that's not super important to me. I could always pick up a TC Helicon Ditto Mic Looper later and add it on after the Voicelive.

    FYI...I was looking at the Eventide MixingLink and doing individual guitar pedals, but that increases the cost and complexity more than I want right now. Also, I like the idea of presets.

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    Had a VE-20 for 6 months but changed it for the TC Helicon VoiceLive (see post prior to yours); it's easier to set up pre- and at-gig, TCH has a good website with downloads and updates, and IMHO the TC gives a better set of effects. Unfortunately, it's more expensive...

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    I do love pedal threads. :-)

    For what it's worth (and for anyone curious about using effects pedals on saxophone for live applications): I've been a big nerd for guitar effects pedals for a long time, and it took me many years to figure out how to effectively use them with my saxophone. Thanks to a magical little gadget called the VocoLoco, made by the excellent Canadian company Radial, I've been able to finally incorporate them into my rig without causing nightmarish gain issues. It's a preamp/DI with an effects loop built in so it's specifically designed for a microphone signal (vocals or horns) to loop in guitar effects cleanly and with lots of control over input and output volume, which can cause HUGE issues when putting live effects on horns.

    (Things like the VoiceLive do the same thing, but with their built-in effects. I'm a sucker for stompboxes, and I collect them, so the VocoLoco has been my magic bullet, but a lot of people love the VoiceLive and other vocal multi-effect processors like it.)

    A few months ago I made some demo videos for EarthQuaker Devices. They make some pretty amazing pedals that have become an integral part of the sound of my band, Progger. Here they be:

    https://youtu.be/r4ySWn-aGqk
    https://youtu.be/Bxfs_enqK8c

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    My old TC Helicon Voicetone Create (now discontinued), which I bought second-hand for about US$150, has a couple chorus effects, and about a 100 others (delays, reverbs, flanges, various concert hall emulators, etc.). Don't think it has a harmonizer setting, however, and I don't know how it stands up against newer models generally. But it is a floor unit, with programmable presets that you can operate with your foot. I'll be putting it to its first live test next weekend with my new ska band, to try to simulate a horn section all by myself.
    A little bit louder and a little bit worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyWeather77 View Post
    Thanks to a magical little gadget called the VocoLoco, made by the excellent Canadian company Radial,
    Looks interesting, and I'm a fan of Radial - except, my radial products require 15v. Do you use the included power supply, or have you found a power supply for your pedal board that has a 15v output?
    Best, Jim

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    Hey Jim! The VocoLoco does, indeed, use the annoying 15v power source. I use a VoodooLab power brick for my pedals but I have to use a separate outlet/adapter for the Radial, and then a third for my wireless receiver, so I always bring my trusty Furman surge protector with me. I would love it if the Radial were 9v or 18v! It's probably the only annoying thing about it. Maybe those zany Canadians have a good reason, I don't know.

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    I've been using a TC Helicon for a year or so. Its a vocal thing, but it basically does harmonics, reverb or delay(?), doubling and some other secret sauce sound conditioning if you like. With lots of options. https://goo.gl/images/r6Z9NE I think there is a simpler/cheaper one out there for sax players but I bought it used, as a lark..wouldn't ever pay retail for something like this..its way more than I really need.

    Its nice in certain settings but definitely can be very goofy if you let it. Finally figured out all the settings / buttons/ functions.

    just a touch of "hall' reverb and a bit of harmonics and / or 'tone' and it adds a 'thing' to the sound of the band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyWeather77 View Post
    Maybe those zany Canadians have a good reason, I don't know.
    It's simple: 15v is metric for 18v.
    A little bit louder and a little bit worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZootTheSim View Post
    It's simple: 15v is metric for 18v.
    50 hz vs 60 hz? But wait, Canada is bilingual, shouldn't their products work with both?
    Best, Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZootTheSim View Post
    It's simple: 15v is metric for 18v.
    I always get confused on the kilometervolt-to-milevolt conversion. Plus, 15 centigradevolts is WAY warmer than 18 fahrenheitvolts, so it all gets really confusing.

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    27 years living in metric countries and I still am metrically challenged and only feel comfortable with the English system. Give me Fahrenheit, ounces/pounds and miles any day. Even weight in stones and time in fortnights makes more sense to me. Maybe it was all those arithmetic problems with bushels, pecks, rods, acres etc in junior high in the 50's that did it to me. I know that math is hard to do in a foreign language and system. I had a friend in college who grew up in France when he was young cause his dad was in the diplomatic corps and he could only do math in French, which is the dumbest system I know of.
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    Hey gang! Thought I might add onto this older thread instead of starting a new one (to save virtual paper? I dunno) because my band put up a new video yesterday that has probably the most colorful use of saxophone-with-pedals of anything we've released so far. You'll hear them particularly well on the second "A" section of the tune and then later when I'm trading with the wonderful guitarist Aki Ishiguro.

    https://youtu.be/SI8VxNDZDrY

    These all happen to be EarthQuaker Devices pedals since I love them and have a good relationship with that company, but you can get similar effects from lots of great pedal-makers out there. (Besides EarthQuaker, I particularly like Electro Harmonix pedals and Jim Dunlop's various analog labels like MXR and Way Huge. Pigtronix also makes great stuff and they're a really nice company, too.) But the "brain" that makes it all really work well logistically is the Radial VocoLoco preamp/effects-loop/DI box that I mentioned earlier in the thread. That thing has been a serious game-changer for horn players with a guitar pedal habit, like myself!

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    Cool. I'm about ready to switch to a VocoLoco with separate boxes. My Helicon box gives me a nice chorus to emulate a ska horn section, and tons of reverb options, but it's complicated to use. I really only need 2 or 3 effects, not 100, and having 3 distinct stomp pedals would be much easier than toggling through the myriad options on the TC. But my band's vocalists are interested in the TC, so I'll pass it on to them.
    A little bit louder and a little bit worse.

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    Yep, having just two or three dedicated high-quality stompboxes will be plenty to work with. And extremely fun!

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    I'm a big fan of the boss ve-20 and use it often when playing, mostly for reverb/delay; sounds great https://www.amazon.com/VE-20-Vocal-P...dp/B002W0Z8DU/
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    I moved away from acoustic sax and clarinet about 20 years ago and have playing windcontrollers ever since. I amassed a lot of midi software all on the Mac and iOS operating systems. Also have midi guitar interfaces and midi keyboards. Recently came full circle and now playing tenor and clarinet again. I was impressed by the sound that this YouTuber got https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tR3zC0i9Jgs and I had the software he used to convert audio to midi. Unfortunately when I tried to use a mic in a live situation the mic picked up the sound coming from the amp and it was unusable. Notice he has earphones and is not playing with the group. Not willing to give up I ordered a tenor mouthpiece fitted with a PiezoBarrel and so far I am impressed with the layered sounds and tracking. The cheap mouthpiece even sounds pretty good. I have more detail on another forum at http://www.patchmanmusic.com/forum/v...hp?f=19&t=5099. You can also use a mic and mix the sax sound with the midi as some people do not prefer the sound of the sax via the PiezoBarrel. I am finding It helps my intonation as the midi is always in tune and I tend to practice more and play differently depending on what midi sound I use. This doesn’t have all the advantages of a good windcontroller but I am really pleased with the results so far. Not finished testing all the other possibilities. Not really impressed by any effects on sax I have heard on YouTube but I will be testing using a modeling guitar amp and the Mac software that is used to set it up.

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