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    The 4C is widely respected by members of this forum. Interesting, these MPC try outs. Good
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrellMass View Post
    I just repatriated the Cleveland from the evil repair baron, till he works through his backlog. Only took me a few minutes to rebond with my new horn. Played the usual M5 on it, first, to get back the vibe. Then I switched off to the vintage S80 C* with a 3.0 Fibracell.......yucca! Next tried out the 4C, which I had never played on the new horn. A 3.0 was okay, on it, but then tried a 2.5, and voila!!! Perfect! I played till my lower lip went numb! Eventually, I'll try to get back to the M9, just to see what the difference sounds like, but the 4C might be it, for awhile.
    Hi Darrell, When is your tech going to be able to look at it again? That's a real pain, but at least it plays ok.

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    Well, the concert has come and gone. It was a blast1 My High F# came out brilliantly, using my M9.
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    I now am a big Fan..I always had S/A/T tenor metalite mpcs laying around for yrs, but I always had better stuff too, so I never really played them much. Recently I sold 'em all off.

    For whatever reason I had never tried a Metalite on my Bari's..my history was Selmer, Link and Runyon on the big horn.

    Today I just got a M7 Metalite for my recently acquired cheapo ROC Milwakee Bari. Woah..this one sounds real good to me and at (.105-.110 ?) seems very comfortable to play. My old Plasticover 2.5's are a bit soft. I just ordered a Rico orange 3 Pak #3's and a #3 Fibracell. Hoping for a good result with the new reeds.

    Amazing mpc for a 25. dollar bill.

    I won't sell this thing. Although I am scoping the V16 and RPC offerings..


    Btw the Dove Gray mpc looks quite stunning against the Black nickel and 18K golden keys on my Cathouse model horn
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    Quote Originally Posted by CashSax View Post
    I now am a big Fan..Today I just got a M7 Metalite for my recently acquired cheapo ROC Milwakee Bari. Woah..this one sounds real good to me and at (.105-.110 ?) seems very comfortable to play.
    Heh heh heh. Another convert. I play an M11 on my tenor, but I really like the Metalite on my The Martin bari. Honkin' those low notes. I think Metalites and baris are well-suited.
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    These things are so cheap I'm ordering a baritone M9 for fun..ebay's got one for a measly $21. shipped..honestly I never truly felt the love on the other sax Metalite models, but the Bari Metalite has produced a really good tone for me. I've only started the reed dance so I figure having both M7-M9 should accommodate any reed strength issues.

    Martin that M11 you got is worth Gold right ?? I'm still playing my old (newly re-faced) Super King on tenor..

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    As a follow-up to my earlier reply regarding tenor vs. alto pieces: my daughter still loves her tenor M7, and uses it when she wants to dirty up her sound more than the Selmer is capable of. The M5 alto mouthpiece, however, just doesn't work for her. There was speculation earlier in the thread that the Metalites are particularly effective with the lower-voiced horns, and this has been our experience...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxDadPaul View Post
    As a follow-up to my earlier reply regarding tenor vs. alto pieces: my daughter still loves her tenor M7, and uses it when she wants to dirty up her sound more than the Selmer is capable of. The M5 alto mouthpiece, however, just doesn't work for her. There was speculation earlier in the thread that the Metalites are particularly effective with the lower-voiced horns, and this has been our experience...
    My experience too. I love my 3 tenor Metalites but the alto version just doesn't work out for me. Could be I just didn't put in enough time to find the right set up for it, but I'd never had that problem with the tenor models. Could be my 1928 True Tone alto doesn't like it as much as other pieces. IDK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz Is All View Post
    My experience too. I love my 3 tenor Metalites but the alto version just doesn't work out for me. Could be I just didn't put in enough time to find the right set up for it, but I'd never had that problem with the tenor models. Could be my 1928 True Tone alto doesn't like it as much as other pieces. IDK.
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    I wish I were Darrell. But I've had a slow go of it with some kind of lung problem which has set me back to where I was 2,3 weeks ago as far as breathing. Got a CAT scan today and will see the Pulmonary Specialist on Thursday to find out what's what. I gotta hope it's nothing serious.

    Nonetheless I am going to give playing my alto a go to see if I can produce the air support to play it at all. Wish me luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz Is All View Post
    I wish I were Darrell. But I've had a slow go of it with some kind of lung problem which has set me back to where I was 2,3 weeks ago as far as breathing. Got a CAT scan today and will see the Pulmonary Specialist on Thursday to find out what's what. I gotta hope it's nothing serious.

    Nonetheless I am going to give playing my alto a go to see if I can produce the air support to play it at all. Wish me luck.
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    In late 2015, I bought new Yanagisawa tenor after playing alto for several years. It came with a Yani 5 HR mpc. I also bought a Metalite 5. I had a hard time getting the Metalite 5 to work for me and stayed with the Yani 5 HR. (Its tip opening is about the same as the Meyer 5M alto that I played.) I've been playing second tenor in a big band, and the Yani mpc worked well for that role in that band.

    A few weeks ago, someone asked me to play in a horn section with a rock band. I started working with the Metalite 5 and learned how to play it much better than I could a year ago. After some success, I thought, why not try for the 7 or 9? I got the 9 yesterday, and it works better than I had hoped for. I was surprised that I was more comfortable on it than on the 5.

    Two main points: They're good mouthpieces. One size might work much better for you than another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rice nachos View Post
    One size might work much better for you than another.
    It could be about the reeds you've tried them with. Different tip openings / lays need different reeds.

    I think of the Yamaha 4CM and 6C/6CM as both being quite closed tip, but I have reeds that work better for me on one, and ones that work better on the other.

    One way to look at it is how much force it takes to press the reed against the mouthpiece to close the opening completely. If you have a mouthpiece with a wide tip opening, and a hard reed, it takes a lot of force, so that reed is harder to play - especially softly, and you need a lot of effort to bend the note up to pitch.

    For a wider opening or a very curved shape on the rails (short lay), you need a softer reed to feel comfortable playing it. If you put the same reed on a narrower tip or longer lay mouthpiece, you may well find it's quite hard to play it, because it closes up too easily - I get that if I try to play my Legere Signature #2 reed with my soprano Yamaha 4CM (very narrow tip opening), but it works well for me on the 6C or 6CM (slightly wider opening).

    I do have other, more exciting mouthpieces Those too are just a good comparison because they're from the same series and only differ in the tip opening / lay - same thing, different facing. I have a couple of soprano metalites too, but there seem to be more differences between them than just the way they're faced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy A1S View Post
    It could be about the reeds you've tried them with. Different tip openings / lays need different reeds.

    I think of the Yamaha 4CM and 6C/6CM as both being quite closed tip, but I have reeds that work better for me on one, and ones that work better on the other.

    One way to look at it is how much force it takes to press the reed against the mouthpiece to close the opening completely. If you have a mouthpiece with a wide tip opening, and a hard reed, it takes a lot of force, so that reed is harder to play - especially softly, and you need a lot of effort to bend the note up to pitch.

    For a wider opening or a very curved shape on the rails (short lay), you need a softer reed to feel comfortable playing it. If you put the same reed on a narrower tip or longer lay mouthpiece, you may well find it's quite hard to play it, because it closes up too easily - I get that if I try to play my Legere Signature #2 reed with my soprano Yamaha 4CM (very narrow tip opening), but it works well for me on the 6C or 6CM (slightly wider opening).

    I do have other, more exciting mouthpieces Those too are just a good comparison because they're from the same series and only differ in the tip opening / lay - same thing, different facing. I have a couple of soprano metalites too, but there seem to be more differences between them than just the way they're faced.
    Hi Andy, I just received a Yamaha 6C yesterday, and it's a great piece! Much better than the 4C which seemed to be a fairly decent mpc for my King Cleveland. The 6 blows it out of the water, though! I'm playing a 2.5 Fibracell on it. As much as I like my M5, it tends to take away the nice dark tone of the Cleveland, which is mainly what I love about that horn. The M5 is good on my Vito/YTS-23, though. I use a 1.5 Fibracell on the Metallite. I also have an M9 which is a great piece, but too open for me to comfortably play.
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    I agree, Darrell. I originally picked up the 6C soprano, just out of curiosity, because it was cheap on ebay. I thought it might be too closed for me to get on with, but I was surprised by how well it worked for me. It felt stable - not wild, like my Vandoren S25, but still very expressive. For one, thing, I can bend notes how I want, but I don't feel like they're trying to get away from me, and bend by themselves.

    Then I saw a 6CM going cheap, so I bought that too - no good reason, just because a cheap ebonite mouthpiece seems like good value. Either is fine though - they play about the same.

    More recently, I saw a 4CM on offer, new, so I bought that too. I was kind of surprised how hard it was to play with my usual reed - I use synthetics, so I tend to just have one in use, and a couple of spares. I tried it with my Hahn 3, and that worked better - I can't buy those any more, as far as I know - then I bought a Forestone Black Bamboo "Soft", expecting it to be pretty hard for a soft, because the one I bought for my alto was. That works on it pretty well, and better than on the 6C/6CM, where I find it more of a struggle to play.

    There are uses for a 4C/4CM, certainly. If I had to choose between the two facings, I'd definitely go with the 6C/6CM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rice nachos View Post
    ... I also bought a Metalite 5. I had a hard time getting the Metalite 5 to work for me ... I thought, why not try for the 7 or 9? I got the 9 yesterday, and it works better than I had hoped for. I was surprised that I was more comfortable on it than on the 5.

    Two main points: They're good mouthpieces. One size might work much better for you than another.
    The Metalites are high baffle pieces. I think the more wide open tips work better than the more closed tips. Of course these pieces aren't for everybody. It depends on your playing style, your embouchure, your horn, reed strength, and all the other variables we can think of. I'm a honker, playing loud rock and blues and R&B. I play with a very loose embouchure. I want volume, edge, projection but I also like the dark tone of my Martin. For me the Metalite 9 and 11 work well. They may not be for you. As they say, YMMV.
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    I'm digging the .110 M7 tip on Bari a lot, I don't have an M9 yet..

    maybe at .120 the M9 is too open IDK, but the 7 feels pretty tame with a 2.5 on it. I could go 3-3.5 perhaps. The M9 is at .120 about the size of my tenor mpc a Super King. I just got a .095 Berg metal mpc too, I'll be trying that on my Bari along side the Metalites.

    I carried a M9 tenor in my case for yrs but never really played it. actually I just traded all my S/A/T Metalites off. The Bari Metalites are a different story, I'll keep the M7 and hopefully the M9 will be a killer as well.

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    The Metalite M9 Tenor has a .115 tip. It's a nice dark edgy piece, but it's not for beginners. Takes a lot of air! If you can handle it, it's definitely the Metalite to own.
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    I've been playing Legere Signature reeds on my Metalite M11 and Martin. I had been playing Plasticovers. At rehearsal Tuesday night, I realized my Legeres were both slightly bent and were not playing well. I dug out an old Plasticover but it was too soft and closed up on me. I ordered more Plasticovers on Amazon and they were delivered today. I also ordered a Yamaha lig as my Rico H lig is starting to look cruddy because the lacquer/paint has worn off. We're headlining a really big shew tonight so I wanted to be in good shape. I put a new Plasticover 2.5 on my M11 with the new Yamaha lig. The horn screams. I've got back all the control I had lost on not-so-good Legeres. The new reed on the Metalite on the Martin honks big time. I who am about to rock salute you. Gonna be a fun show.
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