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    I saw this (bl/black laquered) soprano sax for sale at a relatively good price on ebay, auctioning at around 2k. But if anyone could help me tell weather or not this is counterfeit would be nice! Thanks in advance.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-Cust...cAAOSwPHxa~whC

    Update: I am not the seller of this item on ebay lol, but I have read your comments and thought it would just be SAFER to earn money and purchase a new or slightly used soprano from a reputable online seller. Thanks!

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    Default Re: Help spotting counterfeit saxophones?

    Pictures are too bad to tell ask for pics of the serial.
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    It looks like the real deal to me but since it's a reserve auction you aren't going to get it for $2k. I'd also be very leery of bidding on an item that expensive from a seller who has no feedback at all. Likewise, while the horn in pictures looks ligit it doesn't mean the guy actually has this horn. One of the more popular eflay scams going on these days is to pull pictures from someone elses' ad or off the internet someplace and try and sell the item like it's our own.

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    Default Re: Help spotting counterfeit saxophones?

    looks real to me too,and i would get the serial# area photo as suggested above and also the markings on the necks,plus a few other photos just to see if they really have the saxophone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithL View Post
    I'd also be very leery of bidding on an item that expensive from a seller who has no feedback at all.
    +1, to the point of just don't do it at all.

    Oh I just realized what's probably happening here...

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    Something appears not quite right about this one, I would avoid it.
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    It's real. Or at least these are pictures of a real YSS-875EX.

    But.... seller with no feedback. Hard pass if it was me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serafino View Post
    +1, to the point of just don't do it at all.

    Oh I just realized what's probably happening here...

    OP is the seller? It's possible...

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    Looks real to me. For the paranoid: Ebay and Paypal protect the buyer, and offer near nothing for the seller. It is why I don't sell there. Its virtually impossible not to be able to return an item, though I'm sure someone will pipe up with a story. Everyone started with 0 feedback at some point. So yes there is this risk that it might cost you return shipping. If that's too great a risk for some peopl,e they have no business buying a saxophone online in the first place.

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    Is the OP trying to hype the auction by asking what appears to be a legit question just so we all go to the auction?

    Another question I have is about the photos that show the usual items included with a new Yamaha still in their packaging and appearing un-opened. That usually is not the case when dealing with used instruments.

    I suppose there can be all sorts of scenarios when we are suspicious, some of which are innocent. DAVE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Dolson View Post
    Is the OP trying to hype the auction by asking what appears to be a legit question just so we all go to the auction?

    Another question I have is about the photos that show the usual items included with a new Yamaha still in their packaging and appearing un-opened. That usually is not the case when dealing with used instruments.

    I suppose there can be all sorts of scenarios when we are suspicious, some of which are innocent. DAVE
    Yeah, that's certainly a possibility but if the OP is also the seller he hasn't gotten much good news via his post. Though we've generally confirmed/agreed that the horn in the pictures is likely not a counterfeit (something he already knew) we've also given anyone who reads the thread a bunch of reasons not to bid on it.

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    Unintended consequences? Beware of what you ask for? DAVE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Dolson View Post
    Unintended consequences? Beware of what you ask for? DAVE
    Happens delightfully often, although of course never often enough, to those whose mental processes (I won't call it thinking) produce plans to defraud people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Dolson View Post
    Unintended consequences? Beware of what you ask for? DAVE
    Yup, it doesn't seem to me that SOTW is a particularly fertile environment for this (if it is) or other scams. It seems like most of the folks, especially the old-timers, are genuine in there attempt to be helpful. While I don't always agree with the expressed advice or opinions one thing is clear; most of the long standing members here are intelligent and articulate. There just aren't that many easy marks. Scams rarely work on relatively smart individuals to begin with. Trying to pull something over on a fairly large group of pretty smart people has a far better chance of backfiring than succeeding.

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    Counterpoint: Scams typically only have to succeed with a few to be fabulously successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by datsaxman View Post
    Counterpoint: Scams typically only have to succeed with a few to be fabulously successful.
    Agreed, they certainly succeed some of the time or they wouldn't keep trying. This happens once or twice each year at the community college I'm with. The difference is these phishing scams hit everyone's e-mail individually so it just needs to fool one person into clicking on the link or giving up their credentials. With a post in public forum like this you almost need to fool the group collectively which is a much more difficult task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daniel0 View Post
    I saw this (bl/black laquered) soprano sax for sale at a relatively good price on ebay, auctioning at around 2k. But if anyone could help me tell weather or not this is counterfeit would be nice! Thanks in advance.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-Cust...cAAOSwPHxa~whC

    Update: I am not the seller of this item on ebay lol, but I have read your comments and thought it would just be SAFER to earn money and purchase a new or slightly used soprano from a reputable online seller. Thanks!
    he says he is not the seller.

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    Someone commented in another thread recently it that most possible-scam situations involve a horn priced at $2000. Somehow, it's the magic scam number.

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    BLACK YSS875EX.jpg
    well i asked the seller to send me some photos of what i wanted and he did.
    i am sure this seller has the horn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkermann View Post
    Someone commented in another thread recently it that most possible-scam situations involve a horn priced at $2000. Somehow, it's the magic scam number.
    there have been hundreds and hundreds of saxophone ebay scams the last few months and most seem to have starting bids of $10.37 or $4.78 or $11.26 so i think there is no magic scam number.

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