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    Default Any idea who might have made this tenor?

    I posted pics in an older thread a few weeks ago, but no responses. Thinking this might be a more appropriate place. Anyway, thanks in advance for the help.

    There is a serial number and some script above it, but I am unable to read it. That leads me to think that it may have been re-laquered, but I'm certainly no expert.



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    All of these photos are upside down so it's hard for me to tell much of anything !

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    Seems that the pictures are reverting to the original format even after editing. Here are a few that might work and I'll take new pictures and post them later. Thanks.
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    Interesting instrument. Pretty too.

    It has a round pearl G# touch, unfortunately. But it helps place it age-wise, probably pre-1940. Round G# all but disappeared after the early 30's, if not before then...and they are almost never seen on same-side bellkey horns, except for the Holton Rudy Weidofts, which temporarily brought them back. But it's not a Holton, I do not think. Details don't match one.

    Also, it has an interesting & borrowed detail from Martin...the pantguard on the bellkey side is very Martin-esque. However, looking at the post and escutcheon on the body, as well as how the guard meets the keyguards - it's not Martin. Just a well-made, slightly altered version of their pantguard.

    The guard feet make me lean towards a European make.

    But it's a pretty good stumper.

    NOT the greatest pics to make a determination because it's helpful to see a full-on Pinky Table shot, as well as an octave mechanism shot, and a shot of some tonehole chimneys....since these can often be quite telling.

    Does it have a stencil name on it ?
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    Thank you. Here are a few pics that might help. Let me know if there's any other views that could be telling. The horn plays well and that's the main concern. That said, I'd like to know more about it.

    I don't see any stencil markings anywhere. There is some script just above the serial number, but I'm unable to make anything of it. Aside from that it reads “New Yorker” on the bell, but there are no further markings that I can find.

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    I think it is a Selmer New York horn.
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    Default Re: Any idea who might have made this tenor?

    The engravings look European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kansasbike View Post
    There is some script just above the serial number, but I'm unable to make anything of it. Aside from that it reads “New Yorker” on the bell, but there are no further markings that I can find.
    Could the script say "Czechoslovakia"? Is there a stamp next to the foot of the Eb guard on the backside of the body tube?
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamk View Post
    The engravings look European.
    Yeah, they do kinda....

    Quote Originally Posted by robbieg View Post
    I think it is a Selmer New York horn.
    Thing is, tho....Selmer NY horns were stencils, if I am not mistaken (?) So that doesn't give us the Mother Factory for this one....

    Quote Originally Posted by brasscane View Post
    Could the script say "Czechoslovakia"?
    It sorta has that vibe, eh ? But toneholes are straight....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayePDX View Post
    Thing is, tho....Selmer NY horns were stencils, if I am not mistaken (?) So that doesn't give us the Mother Factory for this one....

    Yes they were, and if I remember correctly Selmer NY used a number of different companies to stencil as well.
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    As an aside, looks like a hella cool instrument. Some of the detailing from the pics is pretty sweet, actually.

    One (a tech) could easily modify the G# touch to be a regular, 'normal' touchplate instead of a round pearl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayePDX View Post
    As an aside, looks like a hella cool instrument. Some of the detailing from the pics is pretty sweet, actually.

    One (a tech) could easily modify the G# touch to be a regular, 'normal' touchplate instead of a round pearl.
    Yeah it does. It is certainly an odd ball too. The lh pinky table reminds me of 20s horns (TrueTone/Wonder) but the left hand bell keys put it much later. Some parts of it look american styled, but then others look euro. Maybe they just grabbed whatever parts they could find and put something together.
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    I think I might have figured this one out. It actually looks like a Selmer Radio Improved.
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    Default Re: Any idea who might have made this tenor?

    Googled a Selmer Radio Improved and came across this horn. Some identical pieces, but the horn in the video has some more ornate bits.

    It’s the closest I’ve seen so far..

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    Looks like a beaugnier stencil to me. A few odd things like the B and Bb flat guard and the G#key but for instance the other part of the left hand pinky table looks exactly the same as model 100 and especially the serial number and octave key reminds me of a beaugnier /Vito/noblet kind of thing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kansasbike View Post
    Googled a Selmer Radio Improved and came across this horn. Some identical pieces, but the horn in the video has some more ornate bits.

    It’s the closest I’ve seen so far..
    I have to say that I see no similarities with the Radio improved other than the G# touch.
    For me it looks similar to some earlier Keilwerth type horns.
    On the subject of a round pearl for a G# touch, I find it perfectly workable and absolutely no disadvantage at all.
    Pant guard is similar to Martin horns but also some early SML horns too.
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    to me (aside from the brace) it has many elements (the pinky table is almost identical) shared by a Kohlert model 1928.

    Kohlert was certainly one of the companies which saxophones were sold as Selmer New York. Selmer Super (France) have nothing to do with these. Ask the resident Selmer France Guru if you don’t believe me.

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    I love this kinda stuff.

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    In order to read the scrip above the serial number try to do a “ rubbing” with a pencil that will reveal the negative image of the scrip, take a very close up (using the macro setting of camera or phone usually indicated by the icon of a flower) if you then reverse the colors in a image processing software and enhance the contrast you should be able to read what it says. I too strongly suspect that is refers to Czechoslovakia .

    The horn above is a Kohlert and it appears to have straight toneholes so they were not always with rolled toneholes.
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    I ran the picture with the script through Irfanview and it certainly looks like Czechoslovakia to me as well.

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