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    Default Re: Who can identify the recording and great tenor soloist under this commercial?

    In The Netherlands, do they have a category of "studio musician," a musician who mostly makes his living in recording studios? If so, and any of you know such a person, especially a woodwind specialist, they may provide another avenue of investigation. I would assume the universe of such musicians is not large and someone may identify who it is just by listening.

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    Cheers it is a very nice thing to know that you can count on fellow saxophone aficionados to do a lot of things.

    As for the thorough information about Ahold , I just gave it here to give the idea that this is a truly gigantic company ( which by the way kept until not so long ago an expensive legal status, which made them pay way more taxes than they would otherwise done, to show the continuity with the original company founded by a member of the family that still controls the holding!). It is not that I love huge corporations but if nothing else these people cannot afford not even the most minute dent in their extremely expensively gained reputations.
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    Default Re: Who can identify the recording and great tenor soloist under this commercial?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rackety Sax View Post
    In The Netherlands, do they have a category of "studio musician," a musician who mostly makes his living in recording studios? If so, and any of you know such a person, especially a woodwind specialist, they may provide another avenue of investigation. I would assume the universe of such musicians is not large and someone may identify who it is just by listening.

    By the way, lovely playing indeed.
    We have a lot of good musicians here Rackety and I already identified one in an earlier post (that I quoted again below vvv):

    Quote Originally Posted by mrpeebee View Post
    If it's not an old recording but a modern one by Dutch studio musicians I would vote for >Allard Buwalda<. He plays normally alto in all kind of bands and Dutch TV shows, but I've heard him a few times on tenor sounding amazing and he is capable of playing any style of music.
    But he also doesn't sound exactly like the player in the commercial!

    I know some other pro players who I can ask if the AH reply doesn't reveal the name of the tenor player.

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    It’s a wait and see game and it’s meant to be that way. C’est la vie. MrPB thanks for being a true all around good guy and gentleman. I feel good about any outcome to this because it’s a true mystery that hopefully has a solution.

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    Latest reply (in Dutch) from Ahold:
    Beste heer B,

    We hebben uw vraag bij de verantwoordelijke afdeling uitgezet en de reactie is:
    "Helaas, het wordt niet uitgebracht op CD en kunnen verder ook geen artiesten en titels vrijgeven."

    Het spijt mij dat ik u niet verder kan helpen, maar wens u wel een fijne dag toe

    Met vriendelijke groet,
    Translation in English:
    Dear Mr. B,
    We have put your question to the responsible department and the response is:
    "Unfortunately, it is not released on CD and can also not release artists and titles."

    I am sorry that I can not help you, but wish you a nice day

    Sincerely
    This smells!

    My reply in Dutch:
    Beste A.,

    Hartelijk dank voor de moeite om de antwoorden boven water te krijgen.

    Ik vind het onbegrijpelijk en verbazingwekkend (en geen goede reclame voor Ahold) dat de namen van de muzikanten geheim worden houden.

    Met vriendelijke groeten.
    PB.
    My reply translated in English:
    Dear A.,

    Thank you very much for the effort to get the answers.

    I find it incomprehensible and astonishing (and not a good advertisement for Ahold) that the names of the musicians are kept secret.

    Best regards.
    PB.
    I will now start other channels to try to get the information!

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    Ask wikileaks?

    Got the same email.

    I replied that according to Dutch and International law every author (composers included) have the right to their name being mentioned, even in the case of a commission.


    https://www.boek9.nl/wetteksten/auteurswet/artikel-25


    Boek 9 / Artikel 25


    1. De maker van een werk heeft, zelfs nadat hij zijn auteursrecht heeft overgedragen, de volgende rechten:
    a. het recht zich te verzetten tegen openbaarmaking van het werk zonder vermelding van zijn naam of andere aanduiding als maker, tenzij het verzet zou zijn in strijd met de redelijkheid;
    b. het recht zich te verzetten tegen de openbaarmaking van het werk onder een andere naam dan de zijne, alsmede tegen het aanbrengen van enige wijziging in de benaming van het werk of in de aanduiding van de maker, voor zover deze op of in het werk voorkomen, dan wel in verband daarmede zijn openbaar gemaakt;
    c. het recht zich te verzetten tegen elke andere wijziging in het werk, tenzij deze wijziging van zodanige aard is, dat het verzet zou zijn in strijd met de redelijkheid;
    d. het recht zich te verzetten tegen elke misvorming, verminking of andere aantasting van het werk, welke nadeel zou kunnen toebrengen aan de eer of de naam van de maker of aan zijn waarde in deze hoedanigheid.

    2. De in het eerste lid genoemde rechten komen, na het overlijden van de maker tot aan het vervallen van het auteursrecht, toe aan de door de maker bij uiterste wilsbeschikking aangewezene.

    3. Van het recht, in het eerste lid, onder a genoemd kan afstand worden gedaan. Van de rechten onder b en c genoemd kan afstand worden gedaan voor zover het wijzigingen in het werk of in de benaming daarvan betreft.

    4. Heeft de maker van het werk het auteursrecht overgedragen dan blijft hij bevoegd in het werk zodanige wijzigingen aan te brengen als hem naar de regels van het maatschappelijk verkeer te goeder trouw vrijstaan. Zolang het auteursrecht voortduurt komt gelijke bevoegdheid toe aan de door de maker bij uiterste wilsbeschikking aangewezene, als redelijkerwijs aannemelijk is, dat ook de maker die wijzigingen zou hebben goedgekeurd.


    Anyway, I have to say that AHOLD reputation has suffered , with me, a very deep dent and is much diminished.

    That will certainly affect my future consumer choices.
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    Default Re: Who can identify the recording and great tenor soloist under this commercial?

    Hmmmmm ....

    Wonder why they would not want to promote this with open info about it?

    They do not want the band/musicians/arranger/ or soloist to get credit, recognition, or make more money?

    Some parsnip in the legal dept who thinks it is part of the job to answer "NEE!" to every request?
    (thus "responsible" = "my butt will be held responsible if anything goes wrong; I get nothing if things go well; but nothing bad can happen to me if I just refuse; indeed, if I release the info it is more work [how many signed info release waivers do I need for this?]; consequently my answer is ... NEE!")

    Anyway, it was fun hunting around for some similar sound concepts in the old R&B/Jump tunes, even if we never get the answer.

    Thanks!

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    Maybe if they revealed the name they'd have to pay the muso the royalties they haven't disbursed so far?
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    Quote Originally Posted by milandro View Post
    Ask wikileaks?
    We don't need WikiLeaks as long as we have the PeeBilandro PI team active!

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    No, they have been very clear that this is a commission, there fore everything is paid for, they would otherwise have created a stupid possibility for legal recourse which would certainly be resolved in favo of the possible plaintiff.

    They are being overprotective about nothing.


    As mentioned above, article 25 book 9 of the civil code specifically mentions the right by the composer to have his name published even if the art work was commissioned and paid for.


    1. The creator of a work has, even after transferring its copyright, the following rights:
    a. the right to oppose disclosure of the work without mentioning his name or other designation as a maker, unless it would be contrary to reason


    I don’t see anything contrary to reason

    to be fair the same article of law says that the person whom has the author’s rights MAY chose not to have his name made public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpeebee View Post
    We don't need WikiLeaks as long as we have the PeeBilandro PI team active!
    cheers!
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    Amen! Keep fighting the good fight guys!

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    "to be fair the same article of law says that the person whom has the author’s rights MAY chose not to have his name made public."

    As if the real name is Parker, but the recording says "Chan."

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    But what about having the opportunity or course of action to get permission from the actual artist(s) to reveal him, her or themselves? Therefore the legal question is did these artists conditionally forfeit the opportunity to have their identity revealed/disclosed, and have it completely controlled by binding themselves to fulfilling this commission to this corporation? Hopefully such conditions no longer exist and if they do in this case it would turn others away from committing themselves to producing music for this company. Hopefully it’s just a case of someone who hasn’t passed this on yet to the right dept in the company even the correspondence does sound absolutely finalized. Let’s see where it goes from here.

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    if we don’t know who the artist(s) is (are) then we can’t find out whether they voluntarily abdicate their otherwise inalienable rights
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    That’s the whole point milandro, these artists don’t have a right to even saying they made this recording? It just doesn’t sound proper and hopefully it’s just someone in there that just doesn’t want to be bothered would be the best case scenario. But it’s disclosed to you that they cannot reveal on official company correspondence. A bit disturbing.

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    We don’t know too many things.

    The artist might have voluntarily wavered his copyright, or it might simply be a clerk being overzealous and “ overprotective” of what he thinks that the company interests are.

    I am moving house as we speak.

    The amount of idiotic behavior displayed from several private companies is monumental.

    In fact public institutions were a lot simpler to deal with

    Three weeks ago I began the process to change my address at the internet and tv provider.

    To date I haven’\t been able to make an appointment with an engineer to come and install my internet the main reason being a problem with their “ system” which refused my post-code ( it’s a new street which didn’t exist before).
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    Quote Originally Posted by milandro View Post
    We don’t know too many things.

    The artist might have voluntarily wavered his copyright, or it might simply be a clerk being overzealous and “ overprotective” of what he thinks that the company interests are.

    I am moving house as we speak.

    The amount of idiotic behavior displayed from several private companies is monumental.

    In fact public institutions were a lot simpler to deal with

    Three weeks ago I began the process to change my address at the internet and tv provider.

    To date I haven’\t been able to make an appointment with an engineer to come and install my internet the main reason being a problem with their “ system” which refused my post-code ( it’s a new street which didn’t exist before).
    I recognize some of those things milandro. Stay focused and keep pushing them, eventually all will be solved (but it will take some effort!).

    Unfortunately the current 'modern' society is becoming over-regulated and is full with people who are afraid of (sometimes stupid) rules/regulations and hiding behind system/software failures (which are often used as cheap excuses for inflexible procedures and/or people)!

    But I'm an old-fashioned hands-on guy with a sharp brain and not afraid of anything and I don't surrender easily if I've put my mind on something.

    So the search goes on, but now through alternative channels!

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    well, it is not so much that society is over regulated but the thing is that as soon as a company starts getting big the employees start losing touch with the people.

    I spoke about it a few days ago with my son.

    He has been recently taken on by a large multinational and he is entrusted with a very sensitive financial function.

    This company has many division but he has noticed that sometimes nobody really knows who should do certain things.

    The funniest thing is when he asks someone and they start a chain of emails.

    Once he asked about one thing and then got an email from someone asking if he could answer the query which he had placed originally (full circle back to him).

    Once upon a time I was a civil servant for a few years and learned that one of the most important qualities in a large organization is to cover your back side ( Dutch: “ Indekken” ).

    My son tells me that this is the same whether you work for a large private company or the Kingdom of the Netherlands. First commandment is : cover your backside! Because should you leave it exposed it is you who are going to be blamed.

    ( I aso remember that wen things are good you boss will tell your that “ we did it” and when things are bad “ YOU” did it!)
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    That’s the spirit mrpeebee! On the plus side of our modernity is the possibility of someone creatively involved with the commercial stumbling upon this thread...you never know...
    Good luck with the move Milandro as it’s always a task and a handful of hassles almost all of the time.

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