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    Default Shipping to Australia from EU - Hows the border there?

    Hey there guys!

    Just wanted to know how is the boarder in Australia.

    I ask this because its really "OK" to send a sax to USA but the reverse might be really messy. They normally stop every items over here and ask some extra import fees.

    Also, if i declare the value (around 2k euros) will that be a problem to the person who receives the sax? Like extra fee on % of that 2000 euros?

    Thank you!

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    Default Re: Shipping to Australia from EU - Hows the border there?

    yes,they tax imports here...

    anything over $1000AUD including the postage will get a 10% tax plus around $150-190 fee on top...

    hope this helps...
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    Default Re: Shipping to Australia from EU - Hows the border there?

    The process is simple enough. If the declared value is above $1000, the addressee gets an emailed assessment from Customs. Once the amount is paid, the consignment is released quickly. In most cases, there should be no problem.

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    Default Re: Shipping to Australia from EU - Hows the border there?

    Thanks a lot for that info!

    And if there is no declared value? (With all the risks that can take of course...) Did you guys ever imported like that? Can they still charge you something?

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    Default Re: Shipping to Australia from EU - Hows the border there?

    You will have to declare some value on your export doc, and, well lets put it this way; I imported a Ser III tenor some years ago with the true declared value and went out to pick it up and pay the GST and the customs guy said "Wow, that's a really expensive horn, we hardly ever see any saxophones come through here worth more than $1000."

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    oh, and my experience is if it is a tenor just make sure it is packed really, really well too!
    Just take lots of pics beforehand and also as it is being packaged and send it insured (maybe DHL or similar if available to you) in case it needs any work when it arrives.
    If you sold thru ebay etc might pay to send your buyer the pics too...you don't want any "returns" for "item not as described" etc if its a tenor, as it is very difficult (or expensive) to send a properly packaged tenor from Aus as there are size restrictions.

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    i just sent an alto from the us. i think the largest box you can send is around 240cm - calculated as longest dimenstion + (side 1 * 2) + (side 2 * 2). for example a box 12x16x36 would be 24+32+36 = 92" = 233 cm. if you exceed the limit, they will accept the package, but the shipping is about 5 times higher. my box was 115, but it would have been 580 if it were over the limit.

    also, i don't think most shippers will accept 3000 insurance on a package with 500 declared value - just my experience.

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    I've used a re-shipping company on a few occasions to have horns or mouthpieces etc shipped to Australia from the U.S.
    Usually because the sellers seem to think it is a bit too hard to organize.
    Or simply because the seller wants an excessive amount for the shipping.
    EG: I recently bought a mouthpiece on Fleabay for which the seller tried to charge $85 US to ship via USPS with no tracking or insurance.
    I had him ship it to my RE-ship address in Portland OR (he shipped US for free) and they shipped it on to me for an additional $19 USPS.
    I have shipped a couple of baritones this way also (with insurance and tracking ).
    Funny how they can ship a baritone in a huge box to Australia via UPS or Fedex, yet nobody else can or will.
    GST is payable on amounts over $1000 Aud as Phil indicated earlier.
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    In most European countries the insured value is the declared value.

    So, if you under-declare you may never recover the money.
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    Default Re: Shipping to Australia from EU - Hows the border there?

    if there is no declared value,they will ask the receiver for an invoice....and keep the horn in customs until this is produced...

    if one wants to escape the tax here in OZ,then declare and insure for 400euro's or less....this including the postage fee will probably come under the 1000AUD tax limit....

    and if you want to send it with full insurance and declared value,then the receiver gets a notice from customs,and as soon as the bill is paid,the horn gets released....

    hope all this helps....

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    Quote Originally Posted by joaomolina View Post
    And if there is no declared value? (With all the risks that can take of course...) Did you guys ever imported like that? Can they still charge you something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
    The process is simple enough. If the declared value is above $1000, the addressee gets an emailed assessment from Customs. Once the amount is paid, the consignment is released quickly. In most cases, there should be no problem.
    The process is normally simple, but not if the item needs to be returned, because you would then want to reclaim the import duty you paid. How possible or straightforward this is depends on the country, I'm not sure about Australia in this regard.

    If you do return the item then you must also make sur that your customs declaration when shipping from Australia makes it very clear that the item is a return, or else the original seller may have to pay import duty and or tax.

    I have been caught out when accepting returns, even when the customs decoration has the returns box ticked.I now insist on the customer marking the package in big red letter UK RETURNED ITEM in addition to the tick on the form. (I know, I digressed bit from the topic but this may be useful info)

    I concur that sending without a declaration is asking for trouble, it could delay the item in customs. My experience with Australian customs is that there can be considerable delays anyway. Underdeclaring will impact on insurance, and even make it void, especially if intent to defraud customs and avoid duty is suspected. I wouldn't do it, I know someone who had a valuable trumpet confiscated. They were luck that's all that happeed.
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    Default Re: Shipping to Australia from EU - Hows the border there?

    As it's the buyer who will be paying any taxes etc, I wouldn't be overly concerned about these costs.
    I would however not undervalue it in an effort to save a few pennies if this will affect the insurance value.
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    Default Re: Shipping to Australia from EU - Hows the border there?

    Guys thank you all for the information! The sax is the Yani SC so i think the risk of getting damaged will be less then if it was a tenor.

    So, if the buyer agrees i will ship it like for declared value 400 euros and i will ask if i can insure it for more or something! Thank you all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joaomolina View Post
    Guys thank you all for the information! The sax is the Yani SC so i think the risk of getting damaged will be less then if it was a tenor.

    So, if the buyer agrees i will ship it like for declared value 400 euros and i will ask if i can insure it for more or something! Thank you all!
    No, if the declared value, i.e. what it's worth, is 400 euros, then there is no point in insuring for more than 400 euros, they won't pay you more than it's worth.

    EDIT: in the event of a claim you may need to prove the value, which could be your purchase receipt or a valuation/appraisal (e.g. from a reputable specialist shop, dealer or repairer). Make sure you have photographs and of course a note of the serial number along with copies of the any shipping forms. Not all of these may be necessary, but OTOH they might be.

    I'd say there is just as much risk of a soprano getting damaged as a tenor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Thomas View Post

    I'd say there is just as much risk of a soprano getting damaged as a tenor.
    The problem with tenor is that it will damage itself more easily under its own weight and if it is packed well the box can get quite big which can be a problem with some carriers.
    I've said it before here; the Post Office guy local says that their definition of "packed adequately" is whether it can survive being pushed off a workbench onto the floor.
    I know people who have had no problem with shipping horns, but every tenor I have imported has had some body damage in spite of being packed quite well.
    I have had a successful claim for repairs when coming from Europe with DHL as it is included with some options, but it is the seller who has to claim as they are the shipping co's client.

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    Default Re: Shipping to Australia from EU - Hows the border there?

    I was able to return one horn and it is possible to claim back the duty but it was all a bit of a pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevillesax View Post
    The problem with tenor is that it will damage itself more easily under its own weight and if it is packed well the box can get quite big which can be a problem with some carriers.
    Good point. But not a reason to not worry about a soprano.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevillesax View Post
    I've said it before here; the Post Office guy local says that their definition of "packed adequately" is whether it can survive being pushed off a workbench onto the floor.
    Many insurers actually stipulate how to pack musical instruments (e.g. double boxed)


    Quote Originally Posted by Nevillesax View Post
    I was able to return one horn and it is possible to claim back the duty but it was all a bit of a pain.
    I can imagine it's difficult, customs look like real human beings on the TV show Border Security or whatever it's called, but I imagine it's a different kettle of fish when you try to ring them up to ask about forms for reclaiming duty. In the UK it's double complicated because the duty is charged to you by the courier (e.g. Fedex) on behalf of customs. You'll probably never get back the Fedex "handling fee" unless hell freezes over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevillesax View Post
    I've said it before here; the Post Office guy local says that their definition of "packed adequately" is whether it can survive being pushed off a workbench onto the floor.
    I know people who have had no problem with shipping horns, but every tenor I have imported has had some body damage in spite of being packed quite well.
    Mg... Every tenor? I mean, i never had a single problem shipping saxes in EU and USA. Well only shipped alto and soprano to USA anyway but your experience is starting to freak me out! I mean, i know how to ship a sax but probably the guys who sold you your tenors knew too.

    Once again thank you all for your kind information. If the guy really buys the sax i will get certainly stressed until it gets there!

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    Default Re: Shipping to Australia from EU - Hows the border there?

    well to be fair it was only 3 or 4 tenors, and probably just bad luck, but after that I stopped.
    Yes one was from an international saxophone shop, packed well.
    Although I have seen a tenor arrive for someone else just in its case with some bubble wrap around it. It was fine. Perhaps because it was obvious what it was and the couriers could still use the handle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevillesax View Post
    Although I have seen a tenor arrive for someone else just in its case with some bubble wrap around it. It was fine.
    I remember picking that tenor up from the local post office, I bought that horn on ebay, it was shipped to me with a single sheet of bubble wrap around the solid hard case, and with no extra packing inside the case, it was shipped from New York to Melbourne like that, and came out of the case in perfect condition.
    That was a lot of tenors ago, I've been very lucky importing tenors into Australia, all 10+ have arrived safely with no damage at all. Nevillesax had a very unlucky run with tenors I think, especially with that nice series 3 Selmer tenor that was packed by the pros at Saxquest and was still crunched in the mail...Damn I remember that one! I also remember how good you sounded on your other series three.

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