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    Default Yas-23 or yas-275 (two specific instances)

    Hi, I have two sax options at the moment.

    Number 1: Yas-23, from 1989, made in japan. It has a small bump in the lower part of the bell, general wear and tear, and what seems to be damage in the thumb rest (check photo). The seller says the pads are at 75%. It includes a mouthpiece.

    I can get it for 300 euro


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    The second option is a Yas-275. The sax is in better condition, with some light scratches. No mouthpiece.

    I can get it for 400 euro. (plus 25 of shipping from another city)

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    Both sellers are reputable musicians, so there is no risk there.

    What would you choose? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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    Default Re: Yas-23 or yas-275 (two specific instances)

    Both great the 275 has slightly more modern keywork. I’d prefer the latter to the first, certainly on account of the bump in the lower bell. It generally causes more problems than people think and it is very difficult to set right. Reduces the value way more than the person is aware of.

    Those prices are good but I have seen them also lower.
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    Default Re: Yas-23 or yas-275 (two specific instances)

    I am with Milandro, I would choose the 275. Its also likely that the mpc beeing offeren in the 23 isn't that great so no plus side in that.
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    Default Re: Yas-23 or yas-275 (two specific instances)

    Thank you very much for your opinion. Yes, I think I'll go for the yas-275 as you two suggest.

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    personally i think the 23 is a fantastic student model yamaha and definitely made in JAPAN.....they are very robust...
    the 275 can be made in indonesia and china,as well as JAPAN,....i think the japanese ones would be better....these are not as robust as the 23(softer metal),but do have the highF# which alot of people are after,(not really needed for a student IMO).....

    both good horns...

    so,a different perspective....

    cheers,philip

    p.s.other things to consider is case condition,mouthpiece(it may be a meyer,as one never knows),and of course,pad/playability condition....
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    Default Re: Yas-23 or yas-275 (two specific instances)

    any mpc is better than no mpc,so in the least,a slight plus...
    could be a newyork meyer,but probably a yamaha4C,and really,who knows,not us....!
    have a great day....
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    Its also likely that the mpc beeing offeren in the 23 isn't that great so no plus side in that.
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    Default Re: Yas-23 or yas-275 (two specific instances)

    True but this way he can choose off the bat what he wants as a mpc. Either way based on what he describes about condition the 275 wins for me.

    It's not going to be a valuable mpc since the sellers are both respectable and knowledgeable musicians.
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    Default Re: Yas-23 or yas-275 (two specific instances)

    Quote Originally Posted by milandro View Post
    Both great the 275 has slightly more modern keywork.
    Remind me - isn't the 275 the same basic design as the 23, but with subtle key tweaks, and as you mentioned, outsourced to China and Indonesia, maybe Korea or Taiwan? I was pretty sure they essentially the same sax, with the 23 being older and at risk of more wear, and the 275 newer but with some increase in quality issues (all easily correctable)?
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    The seller of the yas-275 just told me that he can add a Yamaha 4C or 5C mouthpiece to the deal (at the moment he doesnt remember the right mpc model). So that makes it even better

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    yes, worth a whole $15
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    Default Re: Yas-23 or yas-275 (two specific instances)

    yes,basically the same...275 has highF# and made of softer brass material....
    i have never seen a yamaha with korea or taiwan written on them...
    also,the basic yamaha mpc is a good one for beginners and better i think than most cheap mpc's....
    cheers,philip
    Quote Originally Posted by musekatcher View Post
    Remind me - isn't the 275 the same basic design as the 23, but with subtle key tweaks, and as you mentioned, outsourced to China and Indonesia, maybe Korea or Taiwan? I was pretty sure they essentially the same sax, with the 23 being older and at risk of more wear, and the 275 newer but with some increase in quality issues (all easily correctable)?
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    Life is just a bowl... some have cherries in it, some don’t. Those who have the cherries aren’t likely to share them though.

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    Default Re: Yas-23 or yas-275 (two specific instances)

    Quote Originally Posted by musekatcher View Post
    Remind me - isn't the 275 the same basic design as the 23, but with subtle key tweaks, and as you mentioned, outsourced to China and Indonesia, maybe Korea or Taiwan? I was pretty sure they essentially the same sax, with the 23 being older and at risk of more wear, and the 275 newer but with some increase in quality issues (all easily correctable)?
    That is correct. The issues on the outsourced horns are limited to the bumper felts. They seem to fall apart after a year or two. I personally haven't noticed any other issues in the Indonesian and Chinese made horns. In terms of playability, they're the same horn. The few changes that were made will not be noticed by most players. Condition will determine how well the sax works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperAction80 View Post
    That is correct. The issues on the outsourced horns are limited to the bumper felts. They seem to fall apart after a year or two. I personally haven't noticed any other issues in the Indonesian and Chinese made horns. In terms of playability, they're the same horn. The few changes that were made will not be noticed by most players. Condition will determine how well the sax works.
    In the end I got the beautiful yas-275 and couldn't be happier. Thanks for the great info.

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    Great, I hope it serves you well and for many years to come!
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