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    Default Yamaha 4C -My Shock of the Day!

    I've acquainting myself with my newly purchased YAS-52 and, out of curiosity, I slapped a number 3 Rico Orange on the stock 4C that came with the horn and was never played. It was amazing! Easy to play the full range of the horn and I got closer to the Desmond sound than I have ever been able to in the past. (No I will never totally channel Paul Desmond, but this was real nice.)

    Inspiring to play and I am trying it today on a gig. So, my lesson is: You can't go by the price or material of the mouthpiece.
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    The 4C is my mouthpiece preference for my Middle School students. Very functional and MUCH better the the 'mouthpiece shaped object' being sent with rent-to-own saxophones these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Greene View Post
    The 4C is my mouthpiece preference for my Middle School students. Very functional and MUCH better the the 'mouthpiece shaped object' being sent with rent-to-own saxophones these days.
    Yes I knew that, as a Yamaha product, it would be great, but I have played M.C. Gregory pieces, vintage Meyers, Links, and Morgans and this held it own even with them. I guess that is what is so surprising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsclosson View Post
    Yes I knew that, as a Yamaha product, it would be great, but I have played M.C. Gregory pieces, vintage Meyers, Links, and Morgans and this held it own even with them. I guess that is what is so surprising.
    This makes me feel better about having my kids play the 4C. I guess you can now sell of those really expensive pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Greene View Post
    This makes me feel better about having my kids play the 4C. I guess you can now sell of those really expensive pieces.
    With my long break from alto, I have no expensive pieces left. I got a Macsax Aura just to have around and it is also surprisingly nice, but the 4C is really a great piece. I love the fact that it is so cheap and, hopefully, based on Yamaha's reputation for consistency, which I hope also applies to their mouthpieces, easily replaceable.
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    I play in a big band in which the lead player uses a 4C with a Vandoren blue box 3. He can blow the walls down! Currently I'm using a 4C on soprano which the late Jey Clark had opened up, which gives me better control than some other more expensive pieces I own.

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    I have been using a 4C for several years and it has replaced Links, Selmers, no names and vintage pieces. Also it is the best C soprano mouthpiece I have found.

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    Did you play the 4c in a rehearsal situation? I ask, because I like the sound of my more classical sounding mouthpieces a lot when I'm alone in my practice room - but they didn't work (at least for alto and tenor) when guitar and drums entered the room...
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    Taragot has an important point. I even notice this with reeds. A slightly soft one is fine for practice but it will close off when I push it.

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    If you like the 4C, you should give a 6C a try. I play mine with a 3.0 Fibracell, and find it a pretty nice piece.
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    Default Re: Yamaha 4C -My Shock of the Day!

    Here are their sizes:

    ALTO MOUTHPIECES: TIP OPENINGS

    3C – 1.60mm
    0.063 thousandths of an inch

    4C – 1.70mm
    0.067 thousandths of an inch

    5C – 1.80mm
    0.071 thousandths of an inch

    6C – 1.90mm
    0.075 thousandths of an inch

    7C – 2.00mm
    0.079 thousandths of an inch

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    Default Re: Yamaha 4C -My Shock of the Day!

    Quote Originally Posted by Taragot View Post
    Did you play the 4c in a rehearsal situation? I ask, because I like the sound of my more classical sounding mouthpieces a lot when I'm alone in my practice room - but they didn't work (at least for alto and tenor) when guitar and drums entered the room...
    I can get plenty of volume. I have built my lung capacity on Bari and tenor. I mostly play with a small combo (guitar and bass, no drums) or backing tracks. (Please reserve anti b.t. comments for another thread. I use 'em, don't love to but necessity is a mother!) and other quieter venues. No problems thus far. With some push, I get plenty of volume and, for me, a three is fairly hard on alto.

    If I ever have to have the unfortunate circumstance of playing in a big band, I have a piece that will cover it well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce bailey View Post
    I have been using a 4C for several years and it has replaced Links, Selmers, no names and vintage pieces. Also it is the best C soprano mouthpiece I have found.
    Of course I was referring to the soprano models.

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    The same happened to me about 2 years ago. I got an alto 4C in a trade, and was really surprised. I ordered a 6C and 7C just for fun, planning to send them back. I still have them, and play them when reasonable volume is enough. They don't like to be pushed to much.
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    Default Re: Yamaha 4C -My Shock of the Day!

    Quote Originally Posted by MM View Post
    Here are their sizes:

    ALTO MOUTHPIECES: TIP OPENINGS

    3C – 1.60mm
    0.063 thousandths of an inch

    4C – 1.70mm
    0.067 thousandths of an inch

    5C – 1.80mm
    0.071 thousandths of an inch

    6C – 1.90mm
    0.075 thousandths of an inch

    7C – 2.00mm
    0.079 thousandths of an inch
    Just a point to precise this information: The oponing tip of the Yamaha 4C is 1,60 mm.

    Regards.

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    Default Re: Yamaha 4C -My Shock of the Day!

    I find that a 4C's tip opening is too small and the facing way too short for me. No matter what reed strength I threw on one, it always choked at any volume on low C and somewhere in the palm keys. The tenor ones have a ridiculously short facing and puny tip opening so they exacerbate it further.
    They are well-made though, and I recommend them when a beginner alto or soprano player asks. If it works for you, awesome.
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    Default Re: Yamaha 4C -My Shock of the Day!

    Quote Originally Posted by OteroPaso View Post
    Just a point to precise this information: The oponing tip of the Yamaha 4C is 1,60 mm.

    Regards.
    There are two different sets of tip opening charts for Yamaha mouthpieces online. Since I haven't measured them, I don't know which is correct. The one I posted seems to make sense in that the 4C is about the same tip as the Selmer C*, but who knows... Also, it is possible Yamaha changed their tip openings. Yanagisawa has done this a while ago.

    Back when I played a stock 4C on soprano for classical, I used Vandoren classic 4 reeds which are quite hard. Now I played a 4C which has been opened up and use 3 or 3.5 reeds. This setup works much better for me. I am tempted to buy a more open 6C or 7C (if I can find one) as a backup. I don't have any personal experience with the 4C alto piece.

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