Hypothetically speaking: What is the best way to raise the baffle on a Berg Larsen stainless steel 2 chamber?

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    Hey all,

    I was wondering what you all (Especially those of you who already have extensive experience with modifying mouthpieces) believe the best way to raise a baffle on a stainless steel Berg is? The best way I can think of is to create an insert out of poster putty, and then use that as a guide to create one out of wood and glue it in place. Or perhaps use plumber's epoxy, but I get the feeling that plumber's epoxy would be a terrible idea, since any little error would be permanently stuck in there (In my mind I see a big glob of the stuff lodged into the bullet chamber portion of the baffle...).

    Any thoughts?

    Craig

    Edit: Whoops, I didn't realize I posted this in the "tenor mpcs" forum instead of the "mouthpiece modification/maintenance" forum. Sorry about that, administrators!
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    Default Re: Hypothetically speaking: What is the best way to raise the baffle on a Berg Larsen stainless steel 2 chamber?

    you are on the right track. google search 'mouthpiece epoxy baffle' and you will find lots of information on how to go about it, including some old entries in this forum and youtube videos.

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    Default Re: Hypothetically speaking: What is the best way to raise the baffle on a Berg Larsen stainless steel 2 chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by craigmultireedguy View Post
    Edit: Whoops, I didn't realize I posted this in the "tenor mpcs" forum instead of the "mouthpiece modification/maintenance" forum. Sorry about that, administrators!
    I moved your thread to the correct part of the forum.

    About your question: I think Mojo (Keith Bradbury) has some nice clips on YouTube about what you're looking for.

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    Default Re: Hypothetically speaking: What is the best way to raise the baffle on a Berg Larsen stainless steel 2 chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by craigmultireedguy View Post
    I was wondering what you all (Especially those of you who already have extensive experience with modifying mouthpieces) believe the best way to raise a baffle on a stainless steel Berg is? The best way I can think of is to create an insert out of poster putty, and then use that as a guide to create one out of wood and glue it in place. Or perhaps use plumber's epoxy, but I get the feeling that plumber's epoxy would be a terrible idea, since any little error would be permanently stuck in there (In my mind I see a big glob of the stuff lodged into the bullet chamber portion of the baffle...).
    I recall when I first met Fred Lamberson 30+ years ago, he had mouthpieces all over a bench top on his back porch, and just about every one of them had a baffle of putty in them. Clearly, he was figuring out what made mouthpieces work. If you look at Barone pieces from his early days, hot-rodded Links from Van Wie, or even Coelho high baffle pieces now, all of them have baffles built up with epoxy, then finished to final shape.

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    Default Re: Hypothetically speaking: What is the best way to raise the baffle on a Berg Larsen stainless steel 2 chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr G View Post
    I recall when I first met Fred Lamberson 30+ years ago, he had mouthpieces all over a bench top on his back porch, and just about every one of them had a baffle of putty in them. Clearly, he was figuring out what made mouthpieces work. If you look at Barone pieces from his early days, hot-rodded Links from Van Wie, or even Coelho high baffle pieces now, all of them have baffles built up with epoxy, then finished to final shape.
    ...Or the original version of the Phil-Tone Rift!

    Anyway, thanks for the reassuring words, all of you.
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    Default Re: Hypothetically speaking: What is the best way to raise the baffle on a Berg Larsen stainless steel 2 chamber?

    Plumbers epoxy is only semi-permanent. It could be chipped and ground out with the right tools. You do need to work fast since they typically get too hard to shape after 3-4 minutes. But they can be filed and sanded after they set.

    I feel plumbers epoxy has a little "give" to it so it stays in metal mouthpieces better than other epoxies over time. Thermal expansion cycles often dislodge other epoxies after a few years.

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    Default Re: Hypothetically speaking: What is the best way to raise the baffle on a Berg Larsen stainless steel 2 chamber?

    +1 to Mojo.


    When I put a baffle in my NY link I just bought the 2 part quick set Gorilla epoxy at the store.

    It worked really well. And it could be pried out and thrown in the trash if I wanted to try again. It took about 4 tries until I got the shape I wanted (add more than you think you need and then you can sand it down after.)

    I was told there is less toxic stuff you can buy but I never noticed any troubles. I'm still alive.
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