Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

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    Default Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

    I recently obtained a Martin Committee III tenor that I really like. It has a full, lush tone and can really project. However, I note a distinctive fuzziness in the sound from D2 to A2. D2 is a bad note on all saxes and I do have the typical slight enhanced resistance on this note. What is unusual is the fuzziness on all the notes from D2 to A2. The horn was recently overhauled and I had it checked again for leaks a few weeks ago. I was having an issue with the octave key where if I were playing notes that engage the body tube octave pip the octave pip on the neck slightly opened. The tech fixed it and it improved. I notice that for A2 if I manually raise the octave level on the neck more the fuzziness improves but that does not explain the fuzziness on the notes where only the body tube octave pip is opened. It sounds like there is a little bit of spit but if I suck all the spit out it is still there. Even my wife noticed it and she claims she does not have a good ear and all my saxes sound the same. I do not have the issue on my 10M. Suggestions? I know the octave mechanism on The Martin tenor is a bit of a pain and Matt Stohrer details in his online overview how it is hard to get the spring tensions correct. Perhaps that is the issue and there is a subtle leak at one of the pips? The other issue I can think of that Matt mentions is a leak at the neck tenon which can be a problem for Martins.

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    Default Re: Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

    I've had that on my 190xxx C3 and always related to the 8va mechanism. I don't think the problem is exclusively in the springing. Check for any indentations in the corking of the entire mechanism which might cause the neck key to hang up.

    Does the fuzziness occur if you don't use the 8va mechanism and just lip the notes?
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    Default Re: Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

    Is the body octave pip free of obstructions? Does it sufficiently clear the pip when operated? Any issues with the cleanliness/flatness of the body octave pad?

    Have you given your tech a chance to chase this down?
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    Default Re: Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

    Clogged body octave key.

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    Default Re: Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

    Thanks for the advice. I went to visit the tech over lunch and he first cleaned the body octave pip and replaced the octave pip pad. It helped a little. He listened and felt like something on the horn was vibrating at the D2-G2 frequencies. He then oiled some of the keys and adjusted a few springs. It got much better. No really fuzziness Eb2-Ab2. However, D2 and A2 still have some fuzziness. I know both are problematic on saxophone and for some reason I am having this problem more on the Martin than on my other tenors. Perhaps it is just this particular horn. My Conn is much better in D2-G2 but I cannot play low D softly without getting a motorboat. I know this is a common 10M problem. I guess every horn has something.

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    Default Re: Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

    If it is a buzz, check the rollers. Some rollers, especially on old (well-used) horns will rattle - take them off the horn, then reassemble with high viscosity lube.
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    Default Re: Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

    You need to install some thread OVER the octave pip- easy to do with super glue and sewing thread. It's creates a turbulence that is needed.
    There's an article about it on music medic somewhere.
    It won't go away 100% but you can get it to the point where's others won't notice.
    I played a Comm iii tenor for 10 years and it's just a quirk of old horns.

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    Default Re: Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

    Yes, put some panty hose over the neck octave pip. Super glue works fine. This will solve the issue. Played a Committee III for 10 years now, this immediately solved the problem.

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    Default Re: Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

    Quote Originally Posted by Saxaholic View Post
    Yes, put some panty hose over the neck octave pip. Super glue works fine. This will solve the issue. Played a Committee III for 10 years now, this immediately solved the problem.

    - Saxaholic
    I don't get that. Why should the neck octave pip affect D2 to A2 (when the body octave vent is active and the neck octave vent is shut)?
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    Default Re: Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

    You do it on which octave pip is affected, the neck was worse on mine but I had it on both

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    Default Re: Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

    I have never had a Comm III that needed mods on the pips, only older horns. Dirt, loose pad skins, deep seats or improper opening are the only issues I have found on these. A neck from a different horn can cause issues but that seems to not be the case in this instance.

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    Default Re: Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr G View Post
    I don't get that. Why should the neck octave pip affect D2 to A2 (when the body octave vent is active and the neck octave vent is shut)?
    Apologies, I should have been more clear. This fix is intended for A2 only. I do not have an issue with any of the notes below. A tech should be able to eliminate issues on lower notes, however, A2 had an inherent hiss/stuffiness compared to the surrounding notes. The pantyhose fix worked to solve this A2 issue.

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    Default Re: Fuzziness on Martin Committee III tenor from D2 to A2

    Thanks for clearing that up, Saxaholic. Now I'm not as confused.

    Every lil' bit helps!
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