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    Default Keilworth New King Stencil

    After much thinking and researching, I'm seriously considering buying a "New King" Stencil Mame "Jubilee" Tenor from SOTW JayePDX for 785. Is this worth the money? I'd like to use this horn for at least 5-10 years. Wondering how well this horn compares to say a used yts-61.

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    Default Re: Keilworth New King Stencil

    I'd say it would compare favourably to a Yamaha.
    I actually just came across a series 3 Tone king tenor and these horns have a far better tone than any Yamaha I have played.
    And the ergos are also excellent for a mid 1950's horn.
    That price seems very good also.
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    Thanks so much for the insight!! It's my first endeavor into vintage so i'm trying to research as much as possible

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    That is a good, reasonable price - I paid a little more than that for my Keilwerth stencil Bundy Special tenor. Yes, it is worth the money. I like mine quite a bit - solid and well-built horn, nice dark tone, keywork is good for my hands. A YTS-61 is also a solid horn, but the choice between the two is really a personal one - which one you like better. If you are going for vintage, though, the Keilwerth fits more into that category than the Yamaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artstove View Post
    That is a good, reasonable price - I paid a little more than that for my Keilwerth stencil Bundy Special tenor. Yes, it is worth the money. I like mine quite a bit - solid and well-built horn, nice dark tone, keywork is good for my hands. A YTS-61 is also a solid horn, but the choice between the two is really a personal one - which one you like better. If you are going for vintage, though, the Keilwerth fits more into that category than the Yamaha.
    alright ... I think I will buy this horn then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndslite View Post
    alright ... I think I will buy this horn then.
    Cool - I hope you like it!

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    Default Re: Keilworth New King Stencil

    I own a Keilwerth New King IV stencil and consider it to be in the running with my Buescher 156 for top tenor.

    It has a lot of presence.

    I cannot speak to direct comparison with the Yamaha yts61, but I think that the price on those is likely to be over $1000, based on ebay sales.

    With 2nd hand saxes, you do not have to worry about reliability.

    There is no doubt in my mind that it is worth that money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by click View Post
    I own a Keilwerth New King IV stencil and consider it to be in the running with my Buescher 156 for top tenor.

    It has a lot of presence.

    I cannot speak to direct comparison with the Yamaha ys61, but I think that the price on those is likely to be over $1000, based on ebay sales.

    With 2nd hand saxes, you do not have to worry about reliability.

    There is no doubt in my mind that it is worth that money.
    Great, thanks!

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    Default Re: Keilworth New King Stencil

    I bought a Keilwerth King Tempo bari from JayePDX. Great horn, Keilwerth stencils are undervalued in my opinion, and he's an honest seller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnash View Post
    I bought a Keilwerth King Tempo bari from JayePDX. Great horn, Keilwerth stencils are undervalued in my opinion, and he's an honest seller.
    Seems like everyone only has great things to say about these keilwerth stencils! Makes me feel confident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndslite View Post
    Seems like everyone only has great things to say about these keilwerth stencils! Makes me feel confident.
    They are really good horns. But there are a lot of good horns out there - I have had a number of them that I have tried for a while and sold because they were not right for me one way or another (Buescher, Holton, King, Yamaha), but they were all good horns. The question is whether it is a good horn for you, and the only way to figure that out is to play it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artstove View Post
    They are really good horns. But there are a lot of good horns out there - I have had a number of them that I have tried for a while and sold because they were not right for me one way or another (Buescher, Holton, King, Yamaha), but they were all good horns. The question is whether it is a good horn for you, and the only way to figure that out is to play it.
    I think I'll be fine with any horn, i don't have time or money to be that picky, just need a good tone out of it haha. Do you thibk this horn can last me a good 5-10 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndslite View Post
    Do you thibk this horn can last me a good 5-10 years?
    Absolutely. As long as you take decent care of it (swab it out, don't drop it, don't pick it up by the neck, don't drink Coke and eat donuts while playing, don't leave it in a car where it can get stolen) it will last indefinitely. At some point it may need adjustment and new pads and neck cork, but my horn is over 50 years old (I've only had it a few years) and is doing fine.

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    Default Re: Keilworth New King Stencil

    Don't know about Keilworths, but I recently purchased a Zephyr from Jaye, and am extremely happy with the horn, setup, value, and overall experience.
    A little bit louder and a little bit worse.

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    Default Re: Keilworth New King Stencil

    That is a good price for one in decent, not banged up original condition needing an overhaul. I would ASSUME you would need to give it an overhaul for that price. Its probably limping along on old pads now. They are fantastic saxophones. What is the serial #? Rolled tone holes? Does it have a The Martin style screw on the front of the neck receiver or standard screw? The standard screw is MUCH more better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LateNiteSax View Post
    That is a good price for one in decent, not banged up original condition needing an overhaul. I would ASSUME you would need to give it an overhaul for that price. Its probably limping along on old pads now. They are fantastic saxophones. What is the serial #? Rolled tone holes? Does it have a The Martin style screw on the front of the neck receiver or standard screw? The standard screw is MUCH more better.
    If I'm understanding correctly, the horn will be fully setup, overhauled, play ready when it arrives to me. JayePDX has what seems to be a phenomenal reputation here on SOTW for delivering very nice horns that are play-ready. Not sure of the serial and what not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artstove View Post
    Absolutely. As long as you take decent care of it (swab it out, don't drop it, don't pick it up by the neck, don't drink Coke and eat donuts while playing, don't leave it in a car where it can get stolen) it will last indefinitely. At some point it may need adjustment and new pads and neck cork, but my horn is over 50 years old (I've only had it a few years) and is doing fine.
    Seems like standard care! I sure hope the horn pulls through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZootTheSim View Post
    Don't know about Keilworths, but I recently purchased a Zephyr from Jaye, and am extremely happy with the horn, setup, value, and overall experience.
    Great, thanks!

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