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    I am pretty content with what I am playing on, but I am just curious as to what people would recommend to achieve a darker tone.

    I am currently playing on a Jody Jazz HR*

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    There are so many options out there that it's hard to know where to begin. You might try visiting Steve Neff's website and poking around in the many mouthpiece reviews he has online, see if any of those pieces are in the ballpark of what you're looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLucky View Post
    There are so many options out there that it's hard to know where to begin. You might try visiting Steve Neff's website and poking around in the many mouthpiece reviews he has online, see if any of those pieces are in the ballpark of what you're looking for.
    TME, what are you playing now?? "Darker than a Tone Edge" is a proper subset of "darker than a Guardala."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorMatherExp View Post
    I am pretty content with what I am playing on...
    Sure you are. Yes, just keep telling yourself that...
    Go for The Tone,

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    Yes, what are you playing on now? (Darker being a relative concept.) And do you want hard rubber or metal?

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    lots of pieces out there. I have some stuff here that is dark and won't cost you a lot.

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    He says up front, "I am currently playing on a Jody Jazz HR*

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    Quote Originally Posted by chknbon View Post
    He says up front, "I am currently playing on a Jody Jazz HR*
    Funny how many missed that little nugget of information.
    Myself included on the first read through.
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    Hmmm. I think Jody Jazz HR*s are darker than HR Links, which I think are darker than New Vintage HR Links. In other words, JJ HR*'s are pretty dark. At least when I play 'em. I second MLucky's advice to drop in on Steve Neff's website.

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    Wow that is odd. I find every jj piece I play pretty bright.
    Hr links are pretty dark...often tubby
    Vintages brighter than tone edge but just different
    Guess everyone blows different
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    Bright or dark doesn't necessarily depend on the mouthpiece. On tenor, mine does both.
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    Sorry bluto, but I must disagree with you: in my experience, Jody Jazz HR* pieces are among the brightest ever made, and certainly nowhere near as dark as any Link. HR Links have a medium-large chamber, whereas JJ HR* tenor pieces have very small chambers which make them play brightly — and sharp on Conn tenors.

    There are many modern pieces which play dark and fulltoned — e.g., Phil-Tone Eclipse, 10Mfan Robusto HR, MacSax D-Jazz and Aura, PPT Onyxite, Benjamin Allen TD, Link STM, Berg Larsen SS STM, Dukoff Miami LD…… — but no Jody Jazz piece is among them.
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    When I think of dark I think of a Selmer Soloist style mouthpiece or a large chambered hard rubber like the Woodwind Co. NY piece I play.
    I once had a hard rubber Brilhart Personaline that sounded as dark as a Guinness beer.

    Mike T, It is funny how different our perceptions are. I play an Allen 20TD and although it can be played played dark I still think it
    is on the brighter side. The same goes for the 10E however it is even a little darker than the TD. Somewhere in the middle. I tried most of the pieces you
    mention except for the Macsax D and the Aura and found them all sounding on the bright side. But then again maybe something is just wrong with me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorMatherExp View Post
    I am pretty content with what I am playing on, but I am just curious as to what people would recommend to achieve a darker tone.

    I am currently playing on a Jody Jazz HR*
    Lot of mouthpiece recommendations have been given, but actually your own way of blowing is also very important. I have a metal Berg Larsen 140/0 which can be played very bright, but I can also get a very dark sound from it regulating my air-stream and speed in a different way.

    Don't forget that you can do a lot with reeds too. If you're happy with your current piece and only want to go a shade darker, you could just experiment with different reed brands and sizes. I recently changed to Rico Royal and I find them darker sounding (on the same mouthpiece) compared to the reeds I used before (La Voz and Rico Plasticover).

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    I like from Otto's Double Ring, Tone master and the new vintage Otto Link Tone Master model in the "dark line" of sound.
    The Berg Larsen Hard Rubber 90/2 sounds great too.

    If you have the opportunity try blow these.
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    Here's Noah Preminger playing his JJ HR* piece sounding pretty dark to my ears. This is how he voices the tenor:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_KuUZB1Pso

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastian View Post
    Here's Noah Preminger playing his JJ HR* piece sounding pretty dark to my ears. This is how he voices the tenor:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_KuUZB1Pso
    Wow, darkness...

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    Quote Originally Posted by B Flat View Post
    Funny how many missed that little nugget of information.
    Myself included on the first read through.
    I believe the OP edited his post. Or I am losing my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorMatherExp View Post
    I am pretty content with what I am playing on, but I am just curious as to what people would recommend to achieve a darker tone.

    I am currently playing on a Jody Jazz HR*
    I was in a similar situation a while ago. Couldn't get what I wanted out of a JJ HR* 7* so I went with this and stiff reeds:

    http://www.dillonmusic.com/p-3555-se...outhpiece.aspx

    Bought mine locally but that link came up when I the Google-ed it. I got tons of dark at the expense of any color, and dynamics took a hit too. I got rid of the piece fairly quickly because I realized that I wasn't only after "dark," I wanted other stuff mixed in there too, just wasn't able to articulate it when I began questing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigmund451 View Post
    I find every jj piece I play pretty bright.
    +1

    That's why I got rid of this particular JJ HR* 7*, along with every other JJ I've ever had. Sold the 7* to a kid locally who, when he played it on the horn I was also selling, sounded Dexter Gordon-ish. Blew me away that we got such radically different sounds out of the same piece with similar reeds.

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