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    I hope my fellow SOTW members will help me out.

    I’m trying to assemble a list of M.C. Gregory mouthpiece serial numbers. This includes Model A, Model B, Los Angeles Resin, “Master” by Gregory Early Series, “Master” Late Series, Reloplex, and Simpson. Gale is not included because AFAIK they didn't have serial numbers .

    The difference between "Early" and "Late" Master models is described below, or you can visit Theo Wanne's page for a visual here:

    http://theowanne.com/knowledge/mouth...museum/gregory


    If you own an M.C. Gregory I’d appreciate adding its serial number to the list.

    Please include:
    Model of piece: Model A, Early Master, Late Master, etc.
    [Master Series Early (has brass ring positioned slightly above the end of the shank)]
    [Master Series Late (has brass ring positioned flush with end of shank)]

    Type of piece: Alto, Tenor, Soprano, Baritone, Clarinet
    Size of piece: 5A 18, 4A 20, 6 18, 5A 18M etc.

    Ex. Model A, 4A 18 Tenor #1172 (mine)

    I’ve accumulated around 80 serial numbers so far by scouring the SOTW archives, eBay sales, Saxophone site “museums”, and dealers like SaxQuest, Tenor Madness, etc. In the end, it’s to get a better picture of quantity and type of Gregory mouthpieces produced to add to the M.C. Gregory database. The results will be posted on SOTW for any who are interested.

    Thanks.

    bluto

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    Model A, 5A 16 Alto s/n 3670
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    Here you go.

    Alto: Gregory Master Hollywood 4A 20M 9146

    Tenor: Gregory Master Hollywood 4A 20M 8971

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    Thanks guys.

    Spike421, Are your Masters Early or Late models? Is the brass ring on the bottom flush with the end (late model) or is a bit of black rubber showing (early model)?

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    if you email me at secondhandsaxes@yahoo.com i can send you photos of the ones i have had...
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    Just had this one through here: alto Model A ; 5 A 20 ; serial number 9555

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluto View Post
    Thanks guys.

    Spike421, Are your Masters Early or Late models? Is the brass ring on the bottom flush with the end (late model) or is a bit of black rubber showing (early model)?
    A small amount of black showing on both Tenor and Alto. I bought these used from a Music store in the late 70's early 80's time frame, as I recall. I got the impression they had been laying around there for quite a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spike421 View Post
    A small amount of black showing on both Tenor and Alto. I bought these used from a Music store in the late 70's early 80's time frame, as I recall. I got the impression they had been laying around there for quite a while.
    Great! They're both early models. That helps. I don't doubt they'd been sitting for awhile.

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    Model A, tenor, 4a 18. #1207

    It definitely has some black after the ring. I bought it at Marsh Woodwind in North Carolina back in 1989. It was sitting in a 'junk' box. I bought it to play tenor in a community band. I had no idea about mouthpieces back then.
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    Tenor Sax - Model A - 4A - 20 - SN 4551
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    Reloplex by Rico, Hollywood, 4G, Bb Clarinet, 4229.

    I'd be curious to know when this was made and what exactly the 4G means.

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    Thanks to all.

    Hakukani - Your Model A has a serial number just 35 integers from mine. Almost certainly from the same batch made by Gregory and an early piece.

    SchlockRod - Per your Reloplex: It's a clarinet Reloplex? Pretty neat. That's the first one I've come across. G stands for Long facing. 4 is the tip opening. A 4 tip opening on your clarinet Reloplex should be around ±.049.

    If I get enough serial numbers, some cross-referencing will be possible. Providing general years of production (from-to) is one of the goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Giardullo View Post
    Just had this one through here: alto Model A ; 5 A 20 ; serial number 9555
    This one didn't have the band on the shank so that tells you about style on the piece for serial numbers after it.

    Mine is a 5A16 Alto and does have the band on the shank.
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    Los Angeles Resin alto, #915, 5A-20.

    Swell mouthpiece. Some people bag on the resin 'pieces, but this one at least's a great player.


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    I have a Master by Gregory Hollywood alto 518M. It's a great piece. Used to belong to Bill Calkins. Unfortunately it must be one of the late ones because there is no serial number. I do like the sound a lot. The sandblast finish has a lot to do with the air resistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornlip View Post
    Los Angeles Resin alto, #915, 5A-20. Swell mouthpiece. Some people bag on the resin 'pieces, but this one at least's a great player.
    That's a beauty.

    Sometime between M 907 and your piece, 915, Gregory dropped the "M".


    I have several resin pieces including a blank. They all play clear, project well, with a warm sound. I find them free-blowing and responsive, particularly in the upper register. No stuffiness, including middle "D". The only downside is they're more fragile than hard rubber. Many have chips along the tip rail from their hard life over the past 60 years. In particular, the bite plate often displays deep tooth marks, although it doesn't affect playability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluto View Post
    That's a beauty.

    Sometime between M 907 and your piece, 915, Gregory dropped the "M".


    I have several resin pieces including a blank. They all play clear, project well, with a warm sound. I find them free-blowing and responsive, particularly in the upper register. No stuffiness, including middle "D". The only downside is they're more fragile than hard rubber. Many have chips along the tip rail from their hard life over the past 60 years. In particular, the bite plate often displays deep tooth marks, although it doesn't affect playability.
    The facing on this one's clean and chip-free. You can sort of feel the relative fragileness, though - it's not quite as heavy as you would expect it to be if it were made of hard rubber. That may be the source of the lesser reputation the resin 'pieces have - they don't feel quite as substantial in the hand as a hard rubber 'piece would.

    Mine plays best with reeds that have firmer tips, or else it tends to clam up on me in the palm notes. It has the same tip opening, but shorter facing, than my (modern production) Meyer 5M.

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    Here's a bump and also a request for advertisements for Gregory mouthpieces or the later Gale mouthpieces. I've come across a few advertisements, but they don't often list the publication that they were taken from, so they don't help date the model advertised. With publication dates, and more serial numbers, it would help create a time line for these pieces. Please send a link along to anything that you find, or post a photo if you have something.

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    I'm late to this party, but here goes:


    My mpc is marked (on a rising slant):

    "MASTER"
    BY
    Gregory
    HOLLYWOOD

    The "Gregory" is in script, the others are block capital letters. MASTER is in quotes.

    Then the SN:
    2398

    And then on the left of the table:
    5

    And on the right of the table:
    18M

    It has the brass ring flush with the end of the shank, so I presume it is a Late Master

    It does not have "M.C." on it anywhere

    It is a Tenor mpc


    I look forward to seeing the results.

    Hope this helps

    Joel

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    Thanks neutrino.

    Can you tell if it had/has gold lettering? I have a high serial number, what I call Series I (early) 5 18M that's a very nice player. Mine probably wasn't made very much before your low serial number Series II (late). How does yours play?

    If you have some pictures of your piece that show the throat/chamber, tip floor rails, view of the throat from the shank, and front I could compare it to my 5A 18M. PM me if you do and I'll give you my email address.

    I just found some "new" Gregory ads today that are helping to get an initial grasp on production dates. Subject to further revision, I'd guess your piece was made somewhere between 1959-1969.

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