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    Does anyone know what the tip openings of Rascher mouthpieces are?

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    They say this on the website ... but do not specify. I am sure you can contact them. Or Wichita Band, a dealer.


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    //
    This mouthpiece is offered with only one facing. This is neither an

    oversight nor a matter of economy. It is the result of countless

    experiments with professionals and students. The facing of a mouthpiece

    can be changed to favor most aspects of playing, such as high register,

    low register, brilliance, volume, easy response, etc. But any such favor

    must be bought with a proportionate decrease in some other characteristic.

    This tends to produce an unbalanced tone quality. And because

    experiments on mouthpieces during the last few decades were aimed at

    increased brilliance and certain “edge” in the tone, the main loser in the

    bargain was the tone’s expressive beauty. And over all the ado about

    facings, we have almost forgotten the interior dimensions.



    Adolphe Sax, the inventor of the saxophone, was very specific about

    this: so much so that he included a sketch of it on his patent letter, as you

    can see below: a stubby, almost bulky mouthpiece, permitting a large,

    barrel-shaped tone chamber. And in the accompanying text he pointed out

    that the proportions on all saxophone mouthpieces should be the same.
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    The alto is .052
    The Tenor is .075
    The soprano is.042
    Not sure on the bari, but I don't play bari.

    There is some variance, and I recommend that you contact someone like Ron Caravan who is a Rascher expert and can reface it to the correct specifications.
    Current setups:
    Yamaha YSS-875EX, Rousseau NC3 (refaced by Joe Giardullo), Ishimori lig,Hemke 3.5
    Yamaha YAS-875EXS, Rousseau RC4 (refaced by Brian Powell), Ishimori lig,Hemke 3.5
    Yamaha YTS-875EX, Rousseau NC4, Ishimori lig, Hemke 3.5
    Unison Black Nickel Bari, Rousseau NC4, BG Tradition lig, Hemke 3.5

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    Default Re: Tip Opening of Rascher Mouthpieces

    Waitaminnit... I thought the whole point of S. Rascher and classical saxophone was to allow no variance.

    And now Rascher hardware itself has ... Variance???

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    Everything has variance.

    Most Rascher mouthpieces are 2C. Too closed.
    Sound guy theory of relativity: E=mc^2 (+or- 3dB)
    Sax player theory of relativity: E=mc^2 (+or- .010" at the tip)
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    Default Re: Tip Opening of Rascher Mouthpieces

    Most new products dont have so much as to need
    To be remanufactured before use.

    Disappointing!


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    Default Re: Tip Opening of Rascher Mouthpieces

    I'm pretty sure the Rascher soprano mouthpiece I have has a .055" tip opening. Got it new. It works well with a #3 blue box Vandoren.

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    Mine measure: S .048", A .053", T .071", B .072".

    The point is really the chamber size. As long as tip is relatively closed and the facing long, the idea is just to get used to it and make it work for you.

    Rascher himself said to play his pieces exclusively for 6 weeks. But I suspect that was just to establish that tone quality in your mind as "the new normal."
    "80 years passed before we heard the tenor...in the hands of cads with centre partings & co-respondent's shoes. They squeezed syrupy, farting, oleaginous sounds from their cavernous chambers & microscopic tip openings." –Captain Beeflat, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin View Post
    I'm pretty sure the Rascher soprano mouthpiece I have has a .055" tip opening. Got it new. It works well with a #3 blue box Vandoren.
    At some point, and Carina might be able to confirm this, the soprano mold was broken or something and it was rebuilt with a Martin mouthpiece that had a different facing. At least, I think that was the story.
    Current setups:
    Yamaha YSS-875EX, Rousseau NC3 (refaced by Joe Giardullo), Ishimori lig,Hemke 3.5
    Yamaha YAS-875EXS, Rousseau RC4 (refaced by Brian Powell), Ishimori lig,Hemke 3.5
    Yamaha YTS-875EX, Rousseau NC4, Ishimori lig, Hemke 3.5
    Unison Black Nickel Bari, Rousseau NC4, BG Tradition lig, Hemke 3.5

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    Default Re: Tip Opening of Rascher Mouthpieces

    Thank you for all the replies. I wonder why the tenor tip is comparatively more open than the others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Max View Post
    At some point, and Carina might be able to confirm this, the soprano mold was broken or something and it was rebuilt with a Martin mouthpiece that had a different facing. At least, I think that was the story.
    Martin sop pieces tended to be a lot opener than Bueschers - many better than .050". Because Carina used them many of her fellow sopranoists began to seek them out too.
    "80 years passed before we heard the tenor...in the hands of cads with centre partings & co-respondent's shoes. They squeezed syrupy, farting, oleaginous sounds from their cavernous chambers & microscopic tip openings." –Captain Beeflat, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxophilist View Post
    Thank you for all the replies. I wonder why the tenor tip is comparatively more open than the others?
    It might be the fact that tenors actually play better, even in the classical 'schools' with a more open tip.
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    Default Re: Tip Opening of Rascher Mouthpieces

    In the 20s and 30s this wasn't universally believed. Stock Buescher and Martin tenor pieces were available as closed as .055", and Conns down to about .060".
    Last edited by paulwl; 11-16-2016 at 03:39 PM.
    "80 years passed before we heard the tenor...in the hands of cads with centre partings & co-respondent's shoes. They squeezed syrupy, farting, oleaginous sounds from their cavernous chambers & microscopic tip openings." –Captain Beeflat, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwl View Post
    In the 20s and 30s this wasn't universally believed. Stock Buescher tenor pieces were available as closed as .055", and Conns down to about .060".
    Lots of things were different in the 20s and 30s...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hakukani View Post
    Lots of things were different in the 20s and 30s...
    For one thing, the concept of the "classical saxophone" was barely relevant, even tho its esthetic was more or less formed and the chamber and basic tone quality were everywhere.
    "80 years passed before we heard the tenor...in the hands of cads with centre partings & co-respondent's shoes. They squeezed syrupy, farting, oleaginous sounds from their cavernous chambers & microscopic tip openings." –Captain Beeflat, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulwl View Post
    Mine measure: S .048", A .053", T .071", B .072".
    Is your soprano piece an older one based on a Buescher or a newer one based on the Martin?

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    It's the Martin type.

    I'm told Martin soprano pieces were more open than Bueschers originally.
    "80 years passed before we heard the tenor...in the hands of cads with centre partings & co-respondent's shoes. They squeezed syrupy, farting, oleaginous sounds from their cavernous chambers & microscopic tip openings." –Captain Beeflat, 2013

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