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    Default Which modern horns have the best tone?

    (Apologies if this has been discussed before -- if so, pointers to such threads would be welcome!)

    There seems to be a widespread opinion that modern horns, whatever their advantages in terms of intonation, mechanism, or general versatility, tend to lack the beauty and complexity of tone that characterizes the best vintage saxes. But are there exceptions to this? Which modern horns come closest?

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    Default Re: Which modern horns have the best tone?

    I am very happy with my Trevor James Raw XS horns.

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    Default Re: Which modern horns have the best tone?

    Borgani Jubilee, hands down.

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    Default Re: Which modern horns have the best tone?

    of course you will have a number of participants to this thread each offering their brand of choice and I am afraid that all you are going to end up with will be a list of names, which more or less ( because not everyone in the forum will answer) will reflect the entire spectrum of brands out there with a slight penchant for the more expensive ones.

    we’ve in fact similar threads, some even with a poll ( which of course limits somewhat the choice)

    http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthr...dern-tenor-sax
    http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthr...e-market-today
    http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthr...Modern-Sax-for
    http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthr...t-modern-tenor
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    Default Re: Which modern horns have the best tone?

    The Borgani is certainly an option. I've also played a few great Keilwerths. For me Yamahas definitely lack something in the sound, and I have not really tried a Yangisawa. Modern Selmers don't do it for me and neither did any of the Taiwan horns I tried. I'm curious about the Rampone & Cazzani horns.

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    A short bus trip to Matthews in Edam will give you the answers that you seek. If I were to buy a modern horn Rampone & Cazzani would be on top of my list.
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    Default Re: Which modern horns have the best tone?

    The question is not precise enough to have a meaningful answer: what kind of tone are you looking for ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by milandro View Post
    A short bus trip to Matthews in Edam will give you the answers that you seek.
    I know I know
    But I am very happy with my instruments and really don't need any sort of G.A.S. (Still looking for a few mouthpieces though)

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    Quote Originally Posted by warp x View Post
    I know I know
    But I am very happy with my instruments and really don't need any sort of G.A.S. (Still looking for a few mouthpieces though)
    Well, Edam is a nice place, if the weather is nice you can still sit in the garden and drink a cup of coffee or tea with the Crane’s ( and Eelco). I no longer do that but in the past I did it often and hardly ever bought anything but you can certainly try things there. I don’t know if they have a lot of mouthpieces but they will probably have the usual suspects. Recently I’ve referred Carlo Atti ( which is not into mouthpiece making) to David Crane, maybe he will follow up with this and offer his mouthpieces to Matthews.

    Another brand I am much intrigued about is Viking but they don’t have a distributor in the NL. Remy Veerman from Charlie’s music ( now in Amsterdam) has started making (or assembling or whatever) his own horns , so there is YET another new kid on the block.
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    Default Re: Which modern horns have the best tone?

    You might get better results if you are more specific. Which vintage horn gave you that "vintage" tone that you seek?Maybe you could start by asking people's opinions on comparable modern horns? Even then the answers will be pretty subjective.

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    I was going to say "the one with a good player on the end of it".
    But that might've sounded nasty.
    So I'll say Yanagisawa's have a good tone, but I'd also love to try a R&C or a Borgani.
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    Default Re: Which modern horns have the best tone?

    I tried a load of altos over a the course of a month last year, and I was please to find that most of the main brands sounded good, including most of the horns mentioned in this thread. I like horns that feel fairly neutral-they get out of the way and let the player's sound come through, and for me the two that felt that way were the Selmer reference and the Yamaha 82z.
    I settled on the 82z after a lot of trials, and I've been happy with it.

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    Default Re: Which modern horns have the best tone?

    I've got both, and like both. I played a Mauriat in STL, that was convincingly old sounding, and old looking. Lots of options for consumers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B Flat View Post
    I was going to say "the one with a good player on the end of it".
    But that might've sounded nasty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B Flat View Post
    I was going to say "the one with a good player on the end of it".
    It's the player hands down!

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    Then it's the mouthpiece & reed set up. I reckon much more than the horn.

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    But hey,nothing wrong with retail therapy. Every single one of us bar none are prone to it. good for ya eh!

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    Oh yeah take your tuner along so you can get a horn with the least intonation problems (oops where back to the player and mouthpiece reed set up again) its a never ending loop! LoL

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    Default Re: Which modern horns have the best tone?

    As far as vintage MKVI vibe goes I think that the trevor James Signature custom XS tenor has that compact rich tone. Not as rich but great! The SBA and conn10m has their own thing..
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    Default Re: Which modern horns have the best tone?

    Modern horns? Viking.

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    Default Re: Which modern horns have the best tone?

    If you are NOT looking for a Selmer clone, the Borgani Jubilee is an excellent alternative. I owned and played Selmers (Balanced Action, Serie III, Ref 36) for a couple decades, but the Jubilee has been my go-to horn for the past 10+ years. FWIW as a tone reference, I no longer own any Selmers, my other tenors include Buescher Big B, Buescher Top Hat & Cane, and King Super 20.
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    Selmer Reference 54 tenor.
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    Based on my own collection of tenors, YTS82Z UL (Japan), Mauriat PMXT 66 RCL, Orpheo Signature by Steve Goodson (has G3 key) and System 54 Vintage (all Taiwanese), they're all slightly different, MPC choice is a big factor. The best is the YTS82Z, the Mauriat and my silver Orpheo are very impressive and ergonomically are a joy to play. You wouldn't be disappointed with any of them. However the best at impersonating a VI are the Z/UL and the Mauriat. Trying a few necks which make a difference, Underslung Saxgourmet for my VI and YTS 82Z and some standard -for reference.

    YTS82Z - 27.5mm.
    Mauriat PMXT66 RCL - 27.5mm.
    Orpheo Signature - Less than 27.5mm (haven't measured it).
    System 54 - Larger than 27.5mm probably 28mm.

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