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    Default Help needed to identify this tenor sax

    Sold as a Conn stencil, but certainly not.
    Name : LINK HOLT. ECHARD
    No serial number.
    Rolled tone holes.
    Have a microtuner
    Little finger Left hand plate looks like a poor 10M plate style.
    I think a german, tchecoslovakian or italian stencil made in the 40/50.

    Who know something about it ?
    Thanks

    https://www.zikinf.com/annonces/disp...nnonce=1321753

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    Default Re : Help needed to identify this tenor sax

    Don't know what it is but despite the label, I don't think it's American. Pretty wild engraving.

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    Default Re: Help needed to identify this tenor sax

    Looks Bohemian BUT could very well be Italian. That thumb rest was ALSO used by Alfonso Rampone.





    An well known Italian sax player had one of these when he was a kid in 1967...he thought it was American but maybe his parents shopped locally.
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    Default Re: Help needed to identify this tenor sax

    That engraving is something

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    Conn features were copied by many European makers - except French and Belgian ones, who wanted no part of them . You can tell they're not really Conns because the features are used differently, ie, on different size saxes. Only a few test-bed Conn tenors had microtuner necks, for example, but German tenors often did.

    Here the tenor has both bell key cups on the right, which no Conn tenor had, and a swivel thumb hook, which Conn used only on altos.
    "80 years passed before we heard the tenor...in the hands of cads with centre partings & co-respondent's shoes. They squeezed syrupy, farting, oleaginous sounds from their cavernous chambers & microscopic tip openings." –Captain Beeflat, 2013

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    Default Re : Re: Help needed to identify this tenor sax

    Here is a clue perhaps....The owner told me finally that there was a serial number : L on D (or a D on L) and under : 1264 , all this inside a little triangle......If it can help.....

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    Default Re: Help needed to identify this tenor sax

    a vertical serial number with 4 digits and one letter before?

    That is almost certainly an Orsi...
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    How do you adjust that microtuner, with a pipe wrench?

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    that is a false microtuner ( because the mouthpiece doesn’t move), like the ones used by Dolnet, in reality it is just a movable spacer.




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    Default Re: Help needed to identify this tenor sax

    Ok, you found a LD or DL in a triangle on this horn and then 4 digits?

    Like this?



    or this




    My take on this is that Your horn must be a L. (Luigi or Leonildo) Desidera made saxophone. “ premiata Fabbrica L. Desidera e Figli-Verona”


    I believe now, after years and years of occasionally bumping into the Desidera-Stowasser horns that that LD in a triangle is their logo.


    A very little known factory which was in Verona which was a spin-off of the Stowasser factory

    This would also explain a certain “ teutonic” air of this horn because Stowasser ( and therefore Desidera) had their roots in Mitteleuropa.

    You can find a little bit of information on this brand here

    http://woodwindshelp.weebly.com/uplo.../italy_sax.pdf

    Emanuaele Raganato wrote a paper on the subject. I have to say that the information there is also not really exhaustive.



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    I once got a "Link Holt" but got rid of it after a while.
    Mine didn't had the "Echart" engraving, but Elkarth (sic! Not Elkhart). I think mine was made in Italy, while it clearly wanted to create some confusion among OttoLink, Holton and Elkhart.
    I wont' spend much money on a Link Holt...

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    I am getting more and more convinced this is an L.Desidera & figli made horn, which makes this an exceptionally rare saxophone.

    I am sure this horn is a rare and valuable find, to a collector.

    The extremely objectionable engraving makes it even rarerr!

    Despite its being despicably racist, nevertheless , it expresses its “ Zeitgeist” ( brings golliwogs , minstrels shows and other such things to memory).

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    Default Re: Help needed to identify this tenor sax

    this is another Link Holt (also in Italy... so many in Italy!), not is says USA but not made in USA







    And more importantly.....



    LD



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    Default Re : Help needed to identify this tenor sax

    I'm the owner of this sax, thank you for interest for this instrument.
    Here is a picture of the back of the sax with the serial number.
    I can send you more information if you like.

    (Sorry for my poor English)
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    I am convinced that your sax with this LD in a triangle is a L.Desidera & Figli saxophone.

    As such is an odd and uncommon sax brand but not necessarily a valuable one. Even as a Link Holt Echar. ( whatever that might be or wherever this was made....because that really sounds like they wanted to create the impression that this had something to do with Otto Link, Holton and Elkhart ) it is still and odd and uncommon horn but that’s about it.

    An odd sax, but odd and even rare doesn’t mean valuable. An old saxophone is only worth as much as one wants to pay for it, there is no “ market price” for any such a saxophone.

    As a player’s horn there is (probably unless some player can show this is “ IT”) or there seems to be nothing to set this apart from many other old and rather awkwardly built horns albeit made in Germany, Bohemia, Italy or wherever it might have come from.

    What MIGHT (in a hypothetical sense or conditional tense manner...) arise the curiosity of a collector is without any doubt the engraving.

    Whether that is enough to warrantee this horn an higher than normal price ( which I saw that you are asking for this) remains to be seen.

    If you find TWO collectors who want it... it might. Otherwise you are selling a horn in search of a buyer. I do this often and I know that buyers, even of special horns, don’t grow on trees!

    Good luck!
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    I feel like I am reading the saxophone version of the antique road show. Oh what do we have here? An exquisite example of some ancient horn manufacturer. Exceedingly rare and a true diamond in the rough.

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    well, ladies and gentleman we may have a buyer in the house?
    Life is just a bowl... some have cherries in it, some don’t. Those who have the cherries aren’t likely to share them though.

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    And look what I found.... a Link Holt brass instrument “ true tone” (more deception! )

    with engraved “ Agenzia Generale per L’Europa” L.Desidera e figli Verona”


    General European Agency L.Desidera & sons ( they were pretending they were the importers, but I ma sure they were the makers).

    I think is pretty conclusive evidence that Link Holts were at the very least sold from Desiders Verona, but since Link Holt with made Italy were reported, I am pretty sure that Desidera were the makers.

    Life is just a bowl... some have cherries in it, some don’t. Those who have the cherries aren’t likely to share them though.

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    Thanks sotw community for helping and specialy Milandro !

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    My pleaasure
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