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    Default Selmer Modèle 26 - an ongoing study

    For this study, I am hoping to gather information on any Selmer sax stamped with "Modèle 26"
    I am looking for the following information:

    Full Serial Number:
    Type: (Alto, Tenor etc)
    Finish: (Silver, Gold, Lacquer, 2Tone etc)
    Distributor Stamp: (Elkhart, London, Toronto, Montreux, none, others?) - *1
    Body Number?: (below the low D key)
    Extra keys?: (High D trill, Low Eb trill, G# trill) - *2
    Front Altissimo F key?: (Yes / No) - *3
    Gold Plate in bell?:
    Engraving?:
    Special Features?:

    Photos are always welcome.

    I do NOT need to know where the instrument is located or who owns it.

    Thanks to everyone willing to help
    Douglas Pipher
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    Notes:
    *1 On US horns, earlier stamps say New York and, around 6500 this switched to Elkhart
    *2 Horns may have these keys in any permutation. It appears that they could be ordered individually.
    *3 This key also appears to have been an optional extra at this time.

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    Default Re: Selmer Modèle 26 - an ongoing study

    Some current findings based on observations to date:
    Observed Number Range: 4334 to 8128 *
    Observed Examples: 187
    Total Production Size: approx. 3,500
    Observations as percentage of Production: 5.2%

    Observations by Type:
    Sopranino: 6
    Bb Soprano (straight): 31
    Bb Soprano (curved): 3
    Alto: 117
    Alto Low A: 1
    C Tenor: 1
    Bb Tenor: 22
    Baritone: 6
    No C Soprano, Bass saxes observed

    (updated May 13, 2017)

    * Note that the Modéle 26 range overlaps the Modele 22 range
    (for which I have observed examples up to #4882. This appears to be due to different types switching over at different times.)
    Also, the Modele 28 range (observed in Altos only) appears to fit within end of the range as well. (observed Modéle 28s from 7062 to 8015)
    Last edited by Douglas Pipher; 05-13-2017 at 03:24 PM.

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    Body Number stamps started to appear around serial number 6,000.
    The earliest observations of body numbers are simply the letter A (which I have only seen on Altos) By around 74xx, I am seeing 4 digit numbers, sometime with a single letter suffix.

    These body numbers appear on all types except Sopranos and Sopraninos.
    They continue up until early Balanced Action horns on Alto, and until late Balanced Action horns on Tenor. I am unsure of when they stop on the Bari and Bass.

    Update Apr 28, 2016 - Earliest observed example with a body number is in the 70xx range.
    Last edited by Douglas Pipher; 05-26-2016 at 04:51 PM.

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    Default Re: Selmer Modèle 26 - an ongoing study

    Alto 6516 lacquered with silver plated keys. (number on bell)

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    Default Re: Selmer Modèle 26 - an ongoing study

    Thanks Oric. When you get a chance, could you please take a look below the Low D key and let me know if there is anything there? Either a number or a letter "A" or nothing at all.
    Also, your saxophone #6516 is missing from the Selmer Archives, so you have helped to re-find a "lost" horn ... thanks so much.
    Interestingly, your serial number is in the middle of a batch of Sopranos (including a pair of Sopranos with the serial number 6517, one bare brass horn sent to London and a Nickel plated one sent to Montreux)

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    Default Re: Selmer Modèle 26 - an ongoing study

    P1100853sotw.jpg
    Don't have it any more. I don't recall anything being around the D. Can't see anything in the photos.

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    Default Re: Selmer Modèle 26 - an ongoing study

    They made Low A horns back then?! Must've been a special order.

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    The Low A horn was a special order for South American saxophonist Ladário Teixeira. Not only did it have a low A, but it also had several other custom keys as well. I have only seen photos of one example, but it appears that six of these "Ladario" horns were built between 1926 and 1934.

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    Default Re: Selmer Modèle 26 - an ongoing study

    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Pipher View Post
    The Low A horn was a special order for South American saxophonist Ladário Teixeira. Not only did it have a low A, but it also had several other custom keys as well. I have only seen photos of one example, but it appears that six of these "Ladario" horns were built between 1926 and 1934.
    Incredible! Are there pictures anywhere online?

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    Yes, there are photos of #5966 at the link below.
    Look closely at right hand key cluster. You'll see an extra set of keys which seem to be duplicates of the left pinky cluster keys.
    It is quite a fascinating instrument.

    http://www.preciolandia.com/br/sax-a...html#&panel1-1

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    Default Re: Selmer Modèle 26 - an ongoing study

    Model 26
    s/n 11570
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    front high F
    Selmer Model 26 alto/Meyer 5M/ Vandoren JAVA
    Manhattan USA (Topsax) soprano/Selmer Super Session I/Legere
    The Martin Tenor/OttoLink ToneEdge /Cannonball Stone Series Raven tenor

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    Default Re: Selmer Modèle 26 - an ongoing study

    Don't always go by Selmer serial numbers. I had and am sorry I sold it a 1930. New Largebore. Most Selmer numbers call this horn (10,XXX) a Cigar Cutter, I learned from much digging in that Selmer did not even make Cigar Cutters for Tenors ! With the exception of a very few which was sold to the British Market. The Modele 26, was called the Pea-Shooter, because it's neck was smaller than the first really Pro SElmer horns, the New Largebore. There was a lot of overlaps in serial numbers in those early days,
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    Thanks for your thoughts Bruce. I am guessing that when you say "don't go by Selmer serial numbers" ... you mean ... don't go by the existing online serial number charts. If that is what you mean, then I completely agree. I started this series of threads precisely because of the inaccuracy of available serial number lists. I am only interested in first-hand observations in an attempt to correct much of the well-intentioned misinformation out there.

    Cigar Cutter octave mechanisms were available on the Tenor from approximately 171xx to 183xx, mostly in the British Market, but also in the Euro market (but, based on my observations, not in the US market). Production of Tenors in this range was approximately 350 units, of which about 200 were destined for the US Market. So, there were likely no more than 150-160 Tenor Cigar Cutter Supers manufactured. But this is a Modèle 26 thread, so I'll return to that topic.

    The Modèle 26 seems to have some overlap among different types at the beginning of its run, as I noted above in post #2, and also overlapped with the Modèle 28 at the end of its run. Since the Modèle 28 appears to have been made in Altos only, if we look at the other types, there is virtually no overlap between the Modèle 26 and the Largebore.
    Also, if we look only at Altos (see list below) we can see that there appears to be no overlap at the 22/26 juncture, and the 26/28 production appears to end at virtually the same time. (within 63 numbers of each other)

    Alto observed production (based on 208 observations, or about 6% of total production)
    Modele 22: #1179 - #4300
    Modèle 26: #4334 - #7951
    Modèle 28: #7062 - #8014

    So, with respect, I disagree with your statement that there was a lot of overlaps in the early days. The overlaps appear to me to be much greater in the Mark VI / Mark VII / SA80 range than the pre-war horns.

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    Two Modèle 26 Altos added, one from an Auction House archive in England, and one from ebay Australia.
    Based on current observations, Alto production appears to be 61% of the total.

    (post #2 above has been updated with these two observations)

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    One Soprano added, thanks to a saxontheweb.net member.
    Post #2 above has been updated to include this instrument.

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    Default Re: Selmer Modèle 26 - an ongoing study

    I have a gold plated alto. I will try to remember to post the information this weekend.

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    Thanks David. I appreciate the help.

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    Information sent for my alto.

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    Thanks David. Post #2 has been updated to include your alto.

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    Two new Modèle 26 horns added today. One straight Soprano and one Alto.
    Post # 2 has been updated to include these horns.

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