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    I got a Pan Am tenor for a couple hundred bucks . I think it's 35,xxx serial so it was made in 1928 or 9 ..

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    I just started a thread pertaining to this Pan Am C-mel with unusual engraving. Thought I'd put the link up here.

    https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showth...=1#post3374458

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    I have a Pan Am 66M tenor sax in silver with a serial number 56,xxx. There is "L" after the serial and "Pat App'd T" before it. The silver looks great an the horn is in mint condition. When I acquired it the previous owner said it's a 1941 model. Does this year fit with your current study and other similar horns that you have recorded in there?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomesk View Post
    I have a Pan Am 66M tenor sax in silver with a serial number 56,xxx. There is "L" after the serial and "Pat App'd T" before it. The silver looks great an the horn is in mint condition. When I acquired it the previous owner said it's a 1941 model. Does this year fit with your current study and other similar horns that you have recorded in there?

    Thanks.
    Are both bell keys on the LH side or are they opposing/split ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tryptykon View Post
    Are both bell keys on the LH side or are they opposing/split ?
    Both bell keys are on the LH side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomesk View Post
    Both bell keys are on the LH side.

    Thanks, just curious.

    There was a Silver 66M on eBay recently with opposing bell keys w/ a 55,xxx serial no.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-ten...p2047675.l2557

    Also, a kind of beat up "60M" w/ LH bell keys and 59,xxx serial no.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pan-America...p2047675.l2557

    I have a couple Pan Am tenors in the lower 50's(52 and 53,xxx) w/ no 'M' model designations .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tryptykon View Post
    Thanks, just curious.

    There was a Silver 66M on eBay recently with opposing bell keys w/ a 55,xxx serial no.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-ten...p2047675.l2557

    Also, a kind of beat up "60M" w/ LH bell keys and 59,xxx serial no.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pan-America...p2047675.l2557

    I have a couple Pan Am tenors in the lower 50's(52 and 53,xxx) w/ no 'M' model designations .
    Interesting. Do you know the years for those Pan Am tenors that you own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomesk View Post
    Interesting. Do you know the years for those Pan Am tenors that you own?
    According to the list below : 1934 and '35

    https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnSerialsPanAmWW.html

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    Blew a silver 56622 Pan Am tenor in great condition at SamAsh in Manhattan this week, from maybe about 1941? Sounded reeaaaallllly nice and felt pretty good under the fingers. Solid, no bells or whistles, but a tone that I can't stop thinking about. The sales person was very proud of this horn. It was overpriced IMO, but has me on the lookout for a more affordable version in that SN range.
    A little bit louder and a little bit worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badenia View Post
    I am attaching to this entry the current results of the Pan American Serial Number Dating study. It is based on 955 examples taken over 11 months. The sample continues to grow and is today at 978 examples with no effect on the survey results, but confirming the study's alignment.

    I will continue to collect examples as the next step it to try to get production statistics. For that the sample will have to get to 1100 or more. So please continue to provide your serial numbers and descriptions. I am also gathering woodwind and brass examples as well.

    I am now also collecting examples for a similar study on Elkhart Band Instrument Co (EBIC) and ART Musical Instruments (ART & American Triumph). I will likely start forum threads for those soon.

    Attachment 61160

    Please keep in mind, this study is current, but subject to change. This version and any future changes will be published on the Conn Loyalist site. That site will have the latest version going forward.

    The bolded, centered and larger font in the Serial Number Start column signify a strong dating data point with serials converging on model, changes and related historical documentation.
    The bolded and centered serial numbers in the same column indicated relatively good dating data points.
    Unbolded and not centered serial numbers are calculated based upon the bolded data points.

    My thanks go to Stocker, Bruce Bailey and JayePDX from this forum, the Conn Loyalist and horn-u-copia for providing much aide and assistance in the development of this report. Stocker, in particular, has been a valued resource in guiding the progress of the study. Both Bruce Bailey and JayePDX have provided important insights to the development.

    Please let me know any comments or questions.
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    Based on what you have come across and researched, where does the Conn 6M Prototype fit in?

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