conn's never had that tiny inside alternate F# either.....just what we were talking about earlier on the martin bari today....
but it does have the mercedes lowC guard....
mmmmmmm....
All are wrong......It was made by Courturier probably for Lyon & Healy. Different guard from a Conn, soldered tone holes, concave G# which would put it in the 1923-27 period. Teh neck tenon on the body also may have a horizontal and vertical slot. Made in Laporte Indiana. Looks like someone tried to Connify this one.
All are wrong......It was made by Courturier probably for Lyon & Healy. Different guard from a Conn, soldered tone holes, concave G# which would put it in the 1923-27 period. Teh neck tenon on the body also may have a horizontal and vertical slot. Made in Laporte Indiana.
Compare the lettering of bell engraving from that thread and the serial number to the OP's saxophone. Looks very similar to me...
Also, Martin stamped their serial number digits in a semi-circle and spelled out "low pitch" rather than abbreviating it with "L." Evidently, Courturier abbreviated the "A" and "L" and everything is in a straight line...similar to Conn in layout but not in font...
Although most of us ( I did too) have grown to think that Martin was the only company which made saxophones with bevelled toneholes this is far from true.
Several brands ( Early Buescher, King, Keilwerth New Kings II, Couturiers which include some Lyon and Healey, Couesnon, all appear to have had bevelled toneholes at some stage and while most abandoned them, Martin appears to have been carrying on with this feature until the end.
Also " American Professional" have been discussed before (and at that time of the first of these threads, but not the second or third, Bruce seemed to think it was a Martin too)
yes, all of those pseudo Conn-similarities are to be found in the threads that I mentioned above (if one has the patient to follow those they will find that)
Couturier-Lyon and Healey are still, and obviously have been misidentified before. This misidentification might have brought someone to unwittingly add a Conn engraving.
America Professional are not a Conn made saxophone
The mercedes benz guard was NOT exclusive to Conn, it was indeed used by other brands, Couturier-Lyon and Healey and it was ALSO used by early Rampone e Cazzani.
Look at that low C guard as it is not the same as a Conn in the Mercedes style. The arm that covers the felt bumper is longer than the other 2. The G# lever is concave and not L shaped (also working low C#) like the later L&H/Holton horns made after 1927. I have owned several L&H saxes, 3 in alto and there is no doubt that this horn was made by Courturier.
Obviously not. You and Bruce seem to be typing to the wind. Perhaps these matters are only settled with LaPorte's input. I'm sorry I got here late. I too remember the old threads that stumped many here until LaPorte pointed us in the right (Couturier) direction.
Before you all get so crabby about your posts not being read you may wish to consider that when I posted my thoughts I was using an iPad and these links were not showing or working for some reason.
Also, pointing out similarities to other makes is hardly a definitive answer, just an observation.
I was making an observation as I am not an authority on all makes and models of saxophones.
I am glad to see that the existence of the Couturier saxophone is no longer a matter in question.
When the Moers-Festival is over (last evening The Sun Ra Arkestra gave a great concert conducted by the 90 years old Allan Marshal) I'd like to add a trivia on comparing Couturier saxophones with other brands.
Glad to see you chime in on this one. By the way I have seen some L&H Trojans that look very much like Pan American models, likely the short lived 46M. Have you seen these?
I have only seen one L&H American Professional coming from the Pan American line and it had the "P" style serial number.
Kurt
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