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    I have been working on a list for wikipedia. I'm trying to list all of the most famous concertos/sonatas for saxophone and the most famous orchestral pieces that include saxophone. So far, this is what I have put on wikipedia:


    Major works for saxophone
    Rapsodie pour Orchestre et Saxophone (1901)—Claude Debussy
    Saxophone Concerto (1934)—Lars-Erik Larsson
    Concertino da camera (1935)—Jacques Ibert
    Concerto in E Flat major for Alto Saxophone (1936)—Alexander Glazunov
    Aria pour Saxophone Alto (1936)—Eugène Bozza
    Sonata for Alto Saxophone (1937)—Bernhard Heiden
    Scaramouche for Alto Saxophone (1937)—Darius Milhaud
    Ballade for Alto Saxophone (1938)—Henri Tomasi
    Sonata, Op. 19 for Alto Saxophone (1939)—Paul Creston
    Sonata for Alto Saxophone (1943)—Paul Hindemith
    Concerto for Alto Saxophone, Op. 26 (1944)—Paul Creston
    Concerto for Alto Saxophone (1948)—Ingolf Dahl
    Fantasia for Soprano Saxophone (1948)—Heitor Villa Lobos
    Concerto for Alto Saxophone (1949)—Henri Tomasi
    Tableaux de Provence (1955)—Paule Maurice
    Concerto pour Saxophone Alto (1959)—Pierre Max Dubois
    Sonata for Alto Saxophone (1970)—Edison Denisov
    Concerto for Saxophone Quartet (1995)—Philip Glass

    Famous orchestral saxophone solos
    Boléro - Maurice Ravel
    Pictures at an Exhibition - Modest Mussorgsky/Maurice Ravel
    L'Arlésienne - Georges Bizet
    Romeo and Juliet - Sergei Prokofiev
    Lieutenant Kijé - Sergei Prokofiev
    Alexander Nevsky - Sergei Prokofiev
    Symphonic Dances - Sergei Rachmaninoff
    La création du monde - Darius Milhaud
    Symphony No. 6 - Ralph Vaughn Williams
    Symphony No. 9 - Ralph Vaughn Williams
    Suite for Variety Orchestra - Dmitri Shostakovich
    Suite No. 1 - Dmitri Shostakovich
    Suite No. 2 - Dmitri Shostakovich
    Symphonia Domestica - Richard Strauss
    Háry János - Zoltán Kodály
    Rhapsody in Blue - George Gershwin
    An American in Paris - George Gershwin
    Sinfonia da Requiem - Benjamin Britten
    Violin Concerto - Alban Berg
    Lulu - Alben Berg
    Symphony No. 4 - Charles Ives
    Belshazzar's Feast - William Walton
    The Wooden Prince - Béla Bartók


    What else do I need to add to my list?

    -Thanks

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    Maybe I am from a different planet or something but how can you leave out the works of Hawkins ,Young , Parker, Getz, Rollins , Coltrane, and so on and so on ? Imho they' re equally important for the development of the instrument and its language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toughtenor View Post
    Maybe I am from a different planet or something but how can you leave out the works of Hawkins ,Young , Parker, Getz, Rollins , Coltrane, and so on and so on ? Imho they' re equally important for the development of the instrument and its language.
    Those guys are great jazz players, but they didn't do much to develop the concert/classical repertoire.

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    Your question sent me to the Google research lab to look for an album I heard, and purchased in 1960. It was a Columbia Record Club issue calle Brubeck Plays Berstein Plays Brubeck, and featured a Howard Brubeck (Dave's Brother) composition called "Dialogues for Jazz Combo and Orchestra". The work consisted of four movements and featured the New York Philharmonic Orchestra playing a "concerto" for Jazz Quartet and Orchestra. The Quartet was, of course, the Dave Brubeck Quartet with Paul Desmond, Joe Morello, and Gene Wright.

    I had long since lost that recording and never saw it again until your question prompted the search, and while it doesn't show up as "Dialogues...." it does come up when I searched for Howard Brubeck and "jazz". I found the tracks imbedded in a Leonard Bernstein recording called "What is Jazz" and lo and behold tracks 4 through 7 of that CD are the original 1960 recording of the Dave Brubeck Quartet with the NYP conducted ty Leonard Bernstein. I downloaded the four tracks for a grand total of four bucks, but I never would have found them had it not been for AZY 251's question.

    In answer to your question, IMHO this obscure work needs to be suraced if only to hear the true genius of Paul Desmond interpreting an orchestral work. Dave ain't to shabby either. The work, once again is "Dialogues for Jazz Combo and Orchestra by Howard Brubeck.

    Look it up on iTunes under the Bernstein reference above.
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    Thank you. I just listened to the preview, and it sounds very interesting. I might have to buy the mp3, considering Desmond is my favorite jazz player.

    EDIT: Actually, I think I'll order the CD.

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    the works of Hawkins ,Young , Parker, Getz, Rollins
    Funny you should mention Getz. He actually commissioned a classical solo piece for tenor saxophone to be played with full orchestral accompaniment so he could prove himself as a classical saxophonist. Its called Concerto for Stan Getz. He unfortunately died shortly before the completion of the composition. It's a great (and long) piece. Here is the premier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me0cJIm4p7I
    There are three parts. That's just to the first one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxy251 View Post
    Those guys are great jazz players, but they didn't do much to develop the concert/classical repertoire.
    My bad , I can't seem to remember people make that distinction all the time, to me it's all music

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    Thanks for posting that link, i didn't know this concerto.

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    Claus Ogerman's "Gate of Dreams" featuring Brecker and Sanborn, I believe.
    Oh and his "Cityscape". Of course your definition of Classical must include modern orchestral pieces to include these pieces, which is where the action is, since most of those other guys aren't writing anymore.

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    Ok, I added:

    Légende, Op.66 (1918)—Florent Schmitt
    Prélude, cadence et finale (1956)—Alfred Desenclos

    Any other well-known classical pieces?

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    I just added:

    Fantasie sur un theme original (1860)—Jules Demersseman

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    We're missing:

    Ballade, Frank Martin
    Concerto, Karel Husa
    Concerto, Von Koch
    Air and Scherzo, Cowell

    and for orchestral excerpts:

    Werther, Jules Massenet
    Herodiade, Jules Massenet
    Billy Budd, Benjamin Britten
    Job, A Masque for Dancing, Vaughan-Williams
    Symphony No.1, Aaron Copland
    Piano Concerto, Aaron Copland

    Also the Bizet is Suites #1 and #2

    Just to get us started...



    Quote Originally Posted by Saxy251 View Post
    I have been working on a list for wikipedia. I'm trying to list all of the most famous concertos/sonatas for saxophone and the most famous orchestral pieces that include saxophone. So far, this is what I have put on wikipedia:


    Major works for saxophone
    Rapsodie pour Orchestre et Saxophone (1901)—Claude Debussy
    Saxophone Concerto (1934)—Lars-Erik Larsson
    Concertino da camera (1935)—Jacques Ibert
    Concerto in E Flat major for Alto Saxophone (1936)—Alexander Glazunov
    Aria pour Saxophone Alto (1936)—Eugène Bozza
    Sonata for Alto Saxophone (1937)—Bernhard Heiden
    Scaramouche for Alto Saxophone (1937)—Darius Milhaud
    Ballade for Alto Saxophone (1938)—Henri Tomasi
    Sonata, Op. 19 for Alto Saxophone (1939)—Paul Creston
    Sonata for Alto Saxophone (1943)—Paul Hindemith
    Concerto for Alto Saxophone, Op. 26 (1944)—Paul Creston
    Concerto for Alto Saxophone (1948)—Ingolf Dahl
    Fantasia for Soprano Saxophone (1948)—Heitor Villa Lobos
    Concerto for Alto Saxophone (1949)—Henri Tomasi
    Tableaux de Provence (1955)—Paule Maurice
    Concerto pour Saxophone Alto (1959)—Pierre Max Dubois
    Sonata for Alto Saxophone (1970)—Edison Denisov
    Concerto for Saxophone Quartet (1995)—Philip Glass

    Famous orchestral saxophone solos
    Boléro - Maurice Ravel
    Pictures at an Exhibition - Modest Mussorgsky/Maurice Ravel
    L'Arlésienne - Georges Bizet
    Romeo and Juliet - Sergei Prokofiev
    Lieutenant Kijé - Sergei Prokofiev
    Alexander Nevsky - Sergei Prokofiev
    Symphonic Dances - Sergei Rachmaninoff
    La création du monde - Darius Milhaud
    Symphony No. 6 - Ralph Vaughn Williams
    Symphony No. 9 - Ralph Vaughn Williams
    Suite for Variety Orchestra - Dmitri Shostakovich
    Suite No. 1 - Dmitri Shostakovich
    Suite No. 2 - Dmitri Shostakovich
    Symphonia Domestica - Richard Strauss
    Háry János - Zoltán Kodály
    Rhapsody in Blue - George Gershwin
    An American in Paris - George Gershwin
    Sinfonia da Requiem - Benjamin Britten
    Violin Concerto - Alban Berg
    Lulu - Alben Berg
    Symphony No. 4 - Charles Ives
    Belshazzar's Feast - William Walton
    The Wooden Prince - Béla Bartók


    What else do I need to add to my list?

    -Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordan Smith View Post
    We're missing:

    Ballade, Frank Martin
    Concerto, Karel Husa
    Concerto, Von Koch
    Air and Scherzo, Cowell

    and for orchestral excerpts:

    Werther, Jules Massenet
    Herodiade, Jules Massenet
    Billy Budd, Benjamin Britten
    Job, A Masque for Dancing, Vaughan-Williams
    Symphony No.1, Aaron Copland
    Piano Concerto, Aaron Copland

    Also the Bizet is Suites #1 and #2

    Just to get us started...
    Thank you! I knew I was forgetting several pieces.

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    There is a recent recording by the Los Angeles Symphony by Adams, conducted by Dudamel, featuring
    Tim McAllister on Alto Sax. Title - City Noir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by collegestationsax View Post
    Funny you should mention Getz. He actually commissioned a classical solo piece for tenor saxophone to be played with full orchestral accompaniment so he could prove himself as a classical saxophonist. Its called Concerto for Stan Getz. He unfortunately died shortly before the completion of the composition. It's a great (and long) piece. Here is the premier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me0cJIm4p7I
    There are three parts. That's just to the first one.
    There is another Getz album made in 1961. Focus. Composed by Eddie Sauter. Getz with a chamber orchestra, I remembered I had the LP. I would classify it as classical. It's available on iTunes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordan Smith View Post
    We're missing:

    Ballade, Frank Martin
    Concerto, Karel Husa
    Concerto, Von Koch
    Air and Scherzo, Cowell
    I have never heard the Martin or Cowell pieces. Do you know what year they were composed?

    And thank you everyone for the replies

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    I have heard that the New Orleans Philharmonic Orch. added their charts of The Brubeck Q-tet with them in concert 1965 , to their section & ensemble practice 'book' for training in syncopation, time metres etc. as well as for public performance. That is an example of the 'rep'(book) of the orch being 'expanded' by the so called jazz influence! & Desmong played great, & I went backstage to meet him (I was 17) & Morello talked to us too.
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    Just to clarify, are you looking for 'most famous', standards or most performed? Some may disagree, but I personally wouldn't say that a famous piece has to be a standard, nor does a standard have to be the most performed. For projects like this, setting limitations helps immensely, otherwise you could quickly get overwhelmed listing piece after piece because the topic becomes so broad.

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    What the....?
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