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    \r\n Medir has got in touch with me after I emailed them and told me that they are a company with a long history (they have bee founded in 1916.....so almost 100 years old!).They also informed me that the link I gave at the beginning is to an old and incomplete site, while this one is a more modern one
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    \r\n Yes that\'s the address I found by googling, however many of the pages don\'t come up in other than Spanish or Catalan, which is a shame for people in other countries. They say that if you contact them they\'ll send a sample (of what it doesn\'t say), so I sent them my data and commehted that I play tenor in hopes that they\'ll send me a tenor reed to try. I assume that would be the logical thing they\'d do if they want to capture new customers. So we\'ll see.\r\n
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    I checked out their site and they sell cane splits by the 100. I wonder if that is their biggest source of business. I am really looking forward to your thoughts on the tenor reed
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    \nYeah, I saw those for all sizes but what do you do with those, cut your own reeds? Or do they just wholesale them to other reed makers?\r\n
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      Thumbs up Re: Medir Reeds anyone?

      Through all the "noise" of misguided info/commercial apps/etc I learn so much & see such interesting info on this forum. Milandro thx for the video.

      As "Jazz is all" says, sometimes it's not the return on the money, it's for the pleasure of making your own stuff (like fly fishermen tying their own flies). Good overview of Cabo Cañaveral.

      Looking forward to your views of the Medir reeds.

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