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    \r\n So, no other sax necks work on a Buescher? Thought that this would generate at least some discussion.\r\n
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    So, no other sax necks work on a Buescher? Thought that this would generate at least some discussion.
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    \r\n You should be able to use any Buescher neck except maybe the 400. Also, the Elkhart (built by Buescher) and vintage Selmer Bundy/Signet horns (you\'ll notice the keywork is still Buescher) should work as well.\r\n
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    \r\n Are you missing the neck, is that the deal ? Or do you have it and just want another, different one ?
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    \r\nAs noted in the other thread you had going on the same subject...you need to get some dimensions of a proper period TT neck and then start doing some comparisons....
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    \r\nSo...it might be a nice idea to start a thread asking folks to chime in w/ their TT neck dimensions....
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    \r\nAnother Buescher-related horn is a good idea...BUT... from a TT to a Bundy I....and all points in-between...that\'s a big span, so I am gonna guess that there were some neck design changes in those 50 years.
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    \r\nYes, I have a TT neck (unmarked) that is too frustrating to play. Was looking for another neck.
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    \r\nIt might be far less maddening to simply get a different horn, perhaps a later TT or an Aristocrat if you want to keep with the Buescher brand... especially considering that whatever sax the neck was made for that you\'d use to fix yours probably doesn\'t have the flaw to begin with, and might just have a more updated keywork layout. I have also heard of mods people have done to make the upper end of an early TT play less sharp. I assume that\'s the problem you\'re battling. I\'ve experienced it first hand while vintage alto shopping, and it\'s frustrating to say the least.\r\n
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    I have my doubts that was the right move, but I wish you luck on it.
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    \r\nIt might be far less maddening to simply get a different horn, perhaps a later TT or an Aristocrat if you want to keep with the Buescher brand... especially considering that whatever sax the neck was made for that you\'d use to fix yours probably doesn\'t have the flaw to begin with, and might just have a more updated keywork layout. I have also heard of mods people have done to make the upper end of an early TT play less sharp. I assume that\'s the problem you\'re battling. I\'ve experienced it first hand while vintage alto shopping, and it\'s frustrating to say the least.
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    \nThanks for the luck-wishing. I\'ll find out soon enough if it was a terrible idea or not.
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    \r\nThe issues you explained above is not the reason why I needed another neck. Also thank you for trying to help, but I would not like to discuss my neck issues here (I\'ll do this in another post) as this was not the intention of this thread.
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    \r\nThe question I\'m trying to get answered here is:
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      What have you experienced as good replacements for Buescher (alto) necks? And please tell why they are good.

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