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    Default Re: Playing With Mouthpiece Upside Down

    So to Click’s posts the question would be did Anton Stadler (Mozart’s go-to guy on clarinet and for whom this late period concerto was written for) play with the reed on top or the bottom?

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    Default Re: Playing With Mouthpiece Upside Down

    He probably played with the reed below as deducted in page 85 of this book


    https://books.google.nl/books?id=W-O...0above&f=false

    but variation in this world is everywhere

    Shall we call this “ Introvert and extrovert” ?





    but then again....... this is something else

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    That would certainly make sense to me as there is no cadenza in this concerto and it certainly would be more comfortable to play it below at such extended intervals.

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    well, it had to be tried.

    At the moment I have no clarinet to try this approach so I decided to do this on my tenor saxophone.

    Weird, but not impossible, on the contrary quite easy. Whether I like the sound is an entirely different thing.

    I don’t.

    But that’s because playing this way you hear “ the mouthpiece “ as if you would if I were just blowing into it without doing anything with my embouchure (which tends to be rather on the subtonic side) and I have no chance (at least not straight away) to change it in any way.

    I can see how this would work on a clarinet giving it way more volume than normally but if I read the descriptions of the people whom described the embouchure impact on the tone I really can’t picture how this will helpt to give more color and tonal range as they say they do.

    Maybe someone can try it on a clarinet? Maybe on alt and bass too?
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    It wouldn’t be worth it without the correct style of mouthpiece, ligature, reed and purpose quite frankly otherwise it’s just a fool’s errand.

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    I got in touch with a very competent friend and invited him to research the reed above embouchure in the Neapolitan Clarinet School and its application in the Romantic Neapolitan Songs.

    By the way, long ago I use to frequent the Bate collection in Oxford if there is a place where they may have the right information that might be it. The Archives of the conservatorium of San Pietro a Majella in Naples are another place to look into.
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    What is the advantage of this folly, to amuse your friends? Seems like a grand waste of time. What will improve?
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    Historical investigation and general curiosity seem like perfectly valid motivators to me ...

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    Exactly, well put and add to that how about someone wanting you to play one at a legitimate gig? Say you’re Richard Stoltzman and Trevor Pinnock or Simon Preston gives you a ring asking you if you want to play a nice playing post Denner instrument with a musical historical society group and everybody else is playing era correct instruments too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by click View Post
    Historical investigation and general curiosity seem like perfectly valid motivators to me ...
    I suppose, if you care to invest your time in such a fashion.
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    I have only read a few posts, but this may be of interest.
    In this YouTube clip the young woman plays The two instruments that were attributed in the invention of the modern Clarinet .
    Notice the German Clarinet method of fixing the reed in place, so it appears the same as today ( reed on the bottom lip)at least from the German School of playing from around 1700
    In 1730, Johann Gabriel Doppelmayr wrote of Denner:

    At the beginning of the current century, he invented a new kind of pipe-work, the so-called clarinet... and at length presented an improved chalumeau.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J1bv959Has&sns=em
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    When you only read a few posts to such a long subject thread you put yourself at risk of redundancy and that is the case with your comments in your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambros View Post
    When you only read a few posts to such a long subject thread you put yourself at risk of redundancy and that is the case with your comments in your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambros View Post
    When you only read a few posts to such a long subject thread you put yourself at risk of redundancy and that is the case with your comments in your post.
    You shouldn't worry about me putting myself at risk. LOL.
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    It’s kind of like deja vu all over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballad state of mind View Post
    You shouldn't worry about me putting myself at risk. LOL.
    Go to page 3 if you will sir

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    [whoops]

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    Because of this thread I have been researching this matter and still am.

    The page that keeps on coming back in all my searches is this one written by Sherman Friedland

    https://clarinetcorner.wordpress.com...hpiece-puzzle/

    Of all the invaluable informations shared there (and the personal knowledge of the player whom might have very well been the last of the reed above players, Gino Cioffi), Mr. Friedland’s closing of his article is the most important point to consider this historical and forgotten development of the clarinet embouchure.

    “...In conclusion, do, or do not, even try putting the reed on top, and turning the mouthpiece around.On second thought, in consideration of the past and the excellen t players who play or payed differently, give it a try. Give everything a try. But, if you have ever considered double lip embouchure, consider it again, and give it a try..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by milandro View Post
    Because of this thread I have been researching this matter and still am.

    The page that keeps on coming back in all my searches is this one written by Sherman Friedland

    https://clarinetcorner.wordpress.com...hpiece-puzzle/

    Of all the invaluable informations shared there (and the personal knowledge of the player whom might have very well been the last of the reed above players, Gino Cioffi), Mr. Friedland’s closing of his article is the most important point to consider this historical and forgotten development of the clarinet embouchure.

    “...In conclusion, do, or do not, even try putting the reed on top, and turning the mouthpiece around.On second thought, in consideration of the past and the excellen t players who play or payed differently, give it a try. Give everything a try. But, if you have ever considered double lip embouchure, consider it again, and give it a try..."
    Milandro... He is not wrong about the clarinet players in the old cartoons.. They were amazing players.
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    Excellent article and I’m embarrassed because I actually consider myself to have more than a passing interest in Sherman Friedland’s playing and writing and the deep connection he had with Cioffi all along never realizing that Cioffi played with the Labanchi embochure almost exclusively. Thanks again!

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