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\r\n Do you suppose, if I found a very old high-pitched alto, and used a small chamber, high baffle piece on it, I could have such an animal.
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\r\nImagine playing with a rock guitar player and being able to play in the key of C. Or a tenor and being able to play in G!
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    \r\n maddenma, you be trippin\' heavily, and that\'s a good thing... Have you tried sharping up on a \'plain\' Eb alto yet? I just pay the guitar and bass guys to \'de-tune\' down to Eb on rock jams... They don\'t care...\r\n
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    \r\n the topic of using high pitch horns for playing in keys (AND PITCH) other than the intended one has been beaten to death many other times and anybody who has postulated that has, until now, failed to overcome all of the obvious problems. Anyway it it a relatively easy task to get yourself a HP Eb horn (I have seen and keep on seeing them regularly around here) with no commercial value (and hopefully needing no work or finding one which was unwittingly re-padded, as I had and sold to an antique dealers who uses as decoration) and try to do what I think is impossible and in so doing , if successful, gaining access to a market of useless and almost valueless horns.
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    \r\nSince I think that you would be waisting your time in doing that (time that could be used to learn to lay in less comfortable keys! ) I put to you that your alternative choices to the Bb and Eb horns, are F mezzo, Conn O Sax (if you can afford one), G mezzo, C melody.
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    \r\n In a past life my first tenor was a HP Conn tenor. It worked well with 60\'s rock groups. More recently I have used my HP Conn C melody as a Db alto in a concert band setting with completely acceptable intonation! (Substitute Cor Anglais) I also have a HP Buffet alto from 1924 which can easily be pushed-up to an E alto pitch.
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    ...More recently I have used my HP Conn C melody as a Db alto in a concert band setting with completely acceptable intonation! (Substitute Cor Anglais) ...
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    \r\n Thanks, Milandro for indirectly solving a mystery! My HP Buffet came with two necks - one original and one not! The original neck is spot-on A442.The other is nearly two cm. shorter and can be tuned a semitone higher. The octave pip is also further down the neck. Overall pitch is acceptable. I\'ve come across other HP altos which are A456 and more easily tuned as an E alto. A drawer full of mouthpieces helps.
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      Default I really want an E alto

      Do you suppose, if I found a very old high-pitched alto, and used a small chamber, high baffle piece on it, I could have such an animal.

      Imagine playing with a rock guitar player and being able to play in the key of C. Or a tenor and being able to play in G!

      Yes, I'm a little lazy. Might have to look into that.
      1926 Buescher Model 122 True Tone Series III Gold Plated Soprano
      1936 Buescher Model 139 Custom Built Bare Brass Baritone
      1938 Buescher Model 127 Aristocrat (Art Deco) Tenor

      1938 Buescher Model 139 Aristocrat Gold Plated Baritone (some day)
      1947 Buescher Model B-11 400 (Top Hat & Cane) Bare Brass Tenor
      1949 Buescher Model B-7 400 (Top Hat & Cane) Silver Plated Alto
      1949 Buescher Model 140 Aristocrat (Big B) Alto
      1949 Buescher Model 156 Aristocrat (Big B) Gold Plated Tenor
      1970-something Yamaha Model YBS-61 Baritone
      2015 Vibrato A1S III Plastic Alto

      Morgan, Ishimori, Strathon, and Theo Wanna Mouthpieces.





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