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\r\n The forum staff allowed this thread to take place in order to enable the victims to come forward and state their experience and, hopefully, provide Lance the opportunity to make things right – We allow this discussion to go on as long as it remain civil. I’m afraid that allegations to drug/alcohol abuse and/or other similar personal judgment are not really helping to maintain a climate that’s suitable for discussion or problem resolution oriented.
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    \r\n In an effort to be fair to Lance, I know this hasn\'t been easy and I\'m guessing he is trying just to get by and get this all off his bench. It\'s not easy to do this, something I learned in a very real way when I came to work for Ted Klum. I have worked with him until the sun has come up on more than one occasion to get a large order out. Before that he was doing everything virtually by himself with no regular full-time help. I can respect that what Lance is trying to achieve is a high level of craftsmanship. I have no doubt of that.
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    \r\nThese two things must be reconciled: what is trying to be accomplished is very very complex and required much time and skill and money, and I need my horn back.
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    \r\nI am sure that when all of this is said and done, Lance will go ahead to just sell horns as conversions at a reasonable price and have much better success, which I wish him.\r\n
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    \r\nConnhunter, we no longer have any business with one another. The new owner of the saxophone in question (as regards you) and I have been in contact. He stated that he was confident everything would turn out fine for him as am I.\r\n
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    \r\n I know this might be ganging up and I\'m sorry (this just seems very obvious to me), but if my horn was missing in action for over a year I would be like "Why is this guy posting on SOTW....Why isn\'t he working on my horn RIGHT NOW, THIS MINUTE, instead of sitting in front of the computer???\r\n
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    \r\n Well. Good heavens. Firstly, well done Mike,you have kept this thread grounded. Milandro, as always excellent. Great quote. Lance, i dont know you man. My comment " these f***** " was foolish. I can say this. If you have got a problem. Please please come clean. I dont know if you have or have not...no implication nor offence intended. I am going on gut feeling. IF.....you have. Its time man. Please....adrian\r\n
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    \r\n2. Lance will not provide photos of my saxophone to demonstrate any ongoing work or to simply show he still had the sax.
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    \r\nWhat about writing public here your address and call number for customers as every other "normal" dealer here uses to do?
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    \r\nWhy do you modify horns without agreement of the owners? (by mine you put all pads down although they were all new Pisoni ones from a German overhauling, to put your own made pads)
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    \r\nBecause the neck was original and in great shape. Nothing wrong with it but you needed an experimental horn.
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    \r\nThe MPC\'s Wollf Taninbaum refaced for me and were in your custody to send back WITH THE HORN...
    \r\nYou were about to modify Wolf\'s work. I had again to stop it what made you more and more unsatisfied with my "no compliance".
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    \r\nI waited 3 weeks, you just silenced.
    \r\nI feared the worst and it came to pass, unfortunately.
    \r\nI asked you what was going wrong? and you told me..
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    \r\nand this after telling me that the horn just needed to be aligned and polished because it were almost finished. Lies, just lies. Why do a man lie? I know the answer but we may not comment this issue here. Just think on your own brother Lance, you know what I am speaking about.
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    \r\nThis guy toke my horn and didn\'t send me back after request.
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    \r\nYour girlfriend is still there until today and you have to look for another one. But if you really love her you won\'t get comforted until you see her in good health again.
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    \r\nIf you could, you would get there and take her back by force and at first call the FBI.
    \r\nThat is the reason that this BUSINESS is still open between me and Lance. He toke from me my girlfriend is still keeping her and nobody knows how is she doing.
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    I gotta say that launching the operation shítstorm after having sold (give away for free/whatever deal you made with the new owner) the horn to another person is a very unethical thing to do IMHO. ...
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    \nConn-Hunter doesn\'t spell out the exact timeline of events, but it appears he had already been taken for a long ride when he sold the horn, and he presumably sold the horn at a great loss given that he\'d been told Lance lost parts from it and given the great difficulty C-H was having getting the horn back and the uncertainty over whether Lance even still has the horn or will ever return it.
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      Default Re: WARNING: Lance Burton At MartinMods Will Not Finish Or Return Our Saxophones

      Quote Originally Posted by maddenma View Post
      From the thread, it seems to me that Conn-hunter, for better or for worse, doesn't have a financial interest in this instrument any more, and hasn't for quite some time. Not intending to address anyone elses grievences, but Conn-hunter has NO RIGHTS regarding the status of an instrument he no longer owns, and while I'm expecting to take a little flack for this, he doesn't seem to have had any business opening this thread to begin with.
      He had all the business in the world opening this thread, based on his direct experience with Lance, his knowledge of other's dealings, the extreme incompetence at best or fraud at worse that has led to "lost" parts and possibly "lost" horns. I'm very glad he initiated this public warning.

      I'm glad you had a positive experience with MartinMods but that doesn't excuse or mitigate the shabby treatment he has doled out to others here.

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