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    Default Chord Changes for Rhythm Changes?

    Hi,
    I want to learn the chord changes for Cottontail, but it's the same as rhythm changes right? So can someone give me the "standard" chord changes for "Rhythm Changes" ?

    I need them in the tenor's key, B flat

    Thanks in advance

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    Put this in your "Favorites" cache: http://www.songtrellis.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by gary View Post
    Put this in your "Favorites" cache: http://www.songtrellis.com/
    Very nice Gary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gary View Post
    Put this in your "Favorites" cache: http://www.songtrellis.com/
    Gary, (or anyone else)
    Do you know where the creator of the song trellis site gets his chord progressions from? I ask because I checked out his "I Got Rhythm" chord changes, and they're like none I've ever heard. Especially the Bb7 (dominant sound) at the end of the "A" sections. Also, he doesn't include the extra two measures of the last "A" section. Those are a part of the form for the actual tune "I Got Rhythm", even though they're left out of most "Rhythm Changes" tunes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeCity View Post
    Gary, (or anyone else)
    Do you know where the creator of the song trellis site gets his chord progressions from? I ask because I checked out his "I Got Rhythm" chord changes, and they're like none I've ever heard. Especially the Bb7 (dominant sound) at the end of the "A" sections. Also, he doesn't include the extra two measures of the last "A" section. Those are a part of the form for the actual tune "I Got Rhythm", even though they're left out of most "Rhythm Changes" tunes.
    No idea, sorry.

    That's a huge project and I don't expect all the changes to be right, but it's a good resource if for nothing else to get you started on a tune.
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    BTW - There is also this place - http://www.realbook.us
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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeCity View Post
    Gary, (or anyone else)
    Do you know where the creator of the song trellis site gets his chord progressions from? I ask because I checked out his "I Got Rhythm" chord changes, and they're like none I've ever heard. Especially the Bb7 (dominant sound) at the end of the "A" sections. Also, he doesn't include the extra two measures of the last "A" section. Those are a part of the form for the actual tune "I Got Rhythm", even though they're left out of most "Rhythm Changes" tunes.
    Well, there are five versions of "Rhythm" on that site and, (as you said), the two extra bars from the original are rarely played. I took this to mean that they are about the "rhythm" changes more than the song itself and are changes different people have encountered "on the job".......

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    Quote Originally Posted by trowpa View Post
    BTW - There is also this place - http://www.realbook.us
    Another cool site; thanks trowpa........

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    I also recommend Vol 47 of Aebersold's series. This covers the "Rhythm Changes" and has a nice discussion on all the thousands of variations of this progression that are used by musicians world wide. I don't think there is one definitive chord progression any more and the one that Cottantail utilises may not be the one that Gershwin wrote.

    Learn the melody and find a version of the chord changes and practice them together then move onto another set of changes and repeat. This will make your life far easier in the long run. Oh, and have fun doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wersax View Post
    Well, there are five versions of "Rhythm" on that site and, (as you said), the two extra bars from the original are rarely played. I took this to mean that they are about the "rhythm" changes more than the song itself and are changes different people have encountered "on the job".......
    I have a video from many years ago when I played piano on a set with Bud Freeman, Marty Groz, and and Johnny Minz. It was the only time I played with Bud. For the first tune, they called "I got rhythm." The band was not in agreement about the tag. Nobody asked and nobody said. Some of the guys played the tag every time, and some of them played it only on the head and out choruses. And it seemed like nobody was listening to anyone else. It was awful. Marty just stopped playing and waited for the train wreck to get over. My only set with Bud, and I can't bear to watch it. I've never even watched and listened to any of the other tunes we played.

    The moral: If they call "Rhythm" or "rhythm changes," ask about the tag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmathesonjr View Post
    Learn the melody and find a version of the chord changes and practice them together...
    WHAT?!

    Relate the changes to the melody? What a concept!

    ...and one that slips too many folks minds. Melody? Melody? We don' need no stinking melody.
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    gary & trowpa

    Thank you very much for the websites!

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