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    I saw this topic on the woodwind.org clarinet message board and thought it was interesting. The question is, who was your teacher's teacher -- your grand-teacher. Can you see their influences in your teacher's playing and teaching styles?

    I thought it was interesting to see how many common names came up. For example, I expect that Allard will appear quite a bit on our list. I could be wrong though.

    My grand-teachers include:
    Joe Allard
    Lee Konitz
    Jim Pepper
    Rich Halley

    I don't know some of my other teachers studied with -- I'll have to ask them.

    In terms of influence, I can certainly hear the Konitz, but I'm not sure about the rest.

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    Harold Karabell
    Phil Woods

    And my teacher is Frank Mazzeo. He studied with Harold until he passed away, then studied with Phil Woods.

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    Larry Teal.

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    Default Re: Your Grand-Teacher

    Quote Originally Posted by alto86
    who was your teacher's teacher -- your grand-teacher.
    Joe Viola and possibly John LaPorta
    (my first teacher was Sadao Watanabe)

    Can you see their influences in your teacher's playing and teaching styles?
    No idea. Lotta Bebop in Sadao's playing, though.

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    My teacher was Chris Vadala, who studied with (among others)

    Donald Sinta
    Phil Woods

    Maybe my history isn't correct, but didn't Phil Woods study with Charlie Parker? Would that make Charlie Parker my Great-Grand-teacher?

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    Allard via Rob Scheps; Teal via Lynn Klock; and Hemke via Paul Bro. Klock was both teacher and grandteacher to me, as he also taught Bro. I guess you could count Rascher, too, thru workshops with his students.

    Great-grandteachers include Mule, Wiedoeft, and Merle Johnston.

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    marcel mule, daniel deffayet, phil sobel, and way back to henry lindeman. my professor (leo potts) sounds like either a classical player trying to play jazz or a jazz player trying to play classical, depending on the listener's background.

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    For the instrument itself (i.e. through principal teachers), I can name Joe Allard and Anthony Gigliotti. For performance-related studies, John de Lancie (and thus Marcel Tabuteau as "great-grand-teacher") and Marcel Moyse would be on the list. And for other musical studies, which I consider integral to the way I approach music-making, my grand-mentors would include George Crumb and Olivier Messiaen.

    I won't go into my experiences in master classes, which would bring up even more luminaries!

    (A composer friend of mine once did a little research into his "family tree" of teachers, and was able to trace his "lineage" back to the 17th century.)

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    Scott Plugge was both teacher and grand-teacher to me although I generally count him as my only true sax teacher. This makes my one true grand-teacher Hemke.

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    my grandteachers would include:

    donald sinta
    larry teal
    daniel deffayet
    joe allard

    paulwl...where did you study with lynn klock?? i studied with him from 78-81 at Hartt School of Music.

    steve

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    Summer of 1980, at Interlochen Arts Camp.

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    I studied with Pat LaBarbera, who was at Berklee in the sixties. I believe he studied with Joe Viola and Charlie Mariano.

    My writing studies were with Ron Collier, who studied with Gordon Delamont and Hale Rood. Ron also worked with Duke Ellington from the late sixties through to Duke's passing. I think he might have learned a thing or two from Duke.

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    My main Grand-teacher is Eugene Rousseau.

    My teacher also studied with
    David Green
    Kenneth Fischer
    and Larry Teal.

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    Eugene Rousseau (on two accounts) and Fred Hemke, which makes my Great-Grandteacher Marcel Mule!
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    Geez, you guys are really lucky to have such an extensive background of great players behind you (I say great players because I have no idea what they are like as teachers).

    I have no idea who taught my teacher, whose main instrument is actually clarinet. My best friend learns from Damien Hern and other good friends learn from Tom Pulford (the schools sax teacher) whose just returned from NY. I don't know who any of those guys learned from either, but they must have been pretty good!
    Sincerely, your local Lame Alto Busker

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    My Grand Teahcers include:

    Conducting: Eugene Corporon and Jack Stamp

    Composition Jack Stamp and Cindy McTee

    Saxophone: Roger Greenberg which makes Londiex my great-grand teacher

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    Sigurd Rascher via James Houlik and Kenneth Deans
    Fred Hemke via Joseph Wytko
    Larry Teal via James Forger and Kenneth Deans

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    Londeix

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    Hi guys,
    So, my teacher is Eugene Rousseau, so my Grand Teacher is Marcel Mule. Neat! never really thought of that before.

    Awholley- You studied with Wytko? Hes a nice guy, Im actually in school with his Daughter, Anna. Nice girl, great player. Sounds nearly identical to her father! Guess the apple doesnt fall far from the tree!

    Steve P

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