OK, I have no clue where to put this... I need all geeks' help.

[Canadiain]

May be if you gave us some clue of what you remember...like what the site was, what the nature of the article was, what it was about in general terms, how old it was, whether it was from a published magazine, or a patent, or just an informal posting...was it specifically about sax reeds, or just reeds in general...you know, the kind of stuff that would be helpful in searching for it?

Ive read your first post a couple of times and Im still not sure? Is is an article on the way warping over time reduces a reeds performance...and you dont want anything else that might affect performance, just that?

Have I got it right?

Anyway, it would be easier to help if you could tell us as much as you can...

Was it something like this
http://www.reedgeek.com/WarpAndFlatten2.html
or something more formal, with empirical evidence quoted...

[DexterGordonisKing]

May be if you gave us some clue of what you remember...like what the site was, what the nature of the article was, what it was about in general terms, how old it was, whether it was from a published magazine, or just an informal posting...you know, the kind of stuff that would be usefull for searching for it?

Ive read your first post a couple of times and Im still not sure? Is is an article on the way warping over time reduces a reeds performance...and you dont want anything else that might affect performance, just that?

Have I got it right?

Anyway, it would be easier to help if you could tell us as much as you can...

OK. Let me see. I'm pretty sure it was a scientific study on the matter, where the guy tried tons of things. Let me see... Something that might help is that he tried a method of filming from inside the mouth while playing. The article just states that he researched it, and how.

Yes, you have that right. Only about the warping. Thanks...


~DexterGordonisKing

[Kelly Bucheger]

I think reeds just get weary.

They give so much.

And ask for so little.

Our little caney friends.

[Canadiain]

OK. Let me see. I'm pretty sure it was a scientific study on the matter, where the guy tried tons of things. Let me see... Something that might help is that he tried a method of filming from inside the mouth while playing. The article just states that he researched it, and how.

Yes, you have that right. Only about the warping. Thanks...


~DexterGordonisKing

Getting closer...
http://goios.free.fr/articles/Almeida-isma2002.pdf
http://www.idrs.org/publications/Jou...0.Schmidt.html

Ive a feeling what you are looking for might be "Casadonte DJ The clarinet reed: an introduction to its biology, chemistry and physics." (DMA diss., Ohio State U., 1995), or something citing it anyway.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1995PhDT.......186C

[DexterGordonisKing]

Getting closer...
http://goios.free.fr/articles/Almeida-isma2002.pdf
http://www.idrs.org/publications/Jou...0.Schmidt.html

Ive a feeling what you are looking for might be "Casadonte DJ (1995) The clarinet reed: an introduction to its biology, chemistry and physics."

DUDE! Thank you! That's the one, the International Double Reed Society one... The other one looks helpful as well. Thank you so much for your help!

~DexterGordonisKing

[kjetil_bari]

Would this be of any help? http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF10/1066.html

Quote:

Using infrared spectroscopy to compare old spent reeds with sound new ones, Casadonte found that spent reeds contain more carbon-oxygen double bonds. He doesn't know for sure why this happens or what it means, but suspects the player's saliva leaches pectins out of the reed to unmask the double bonds. The loss of pectins would explain why spent reeds cannot hold moisture as well as fresh ones do. This chemical degradation would make the cell walls thinner and more brittle, so the reed's higher vibrational frequencies would be enhanced. In effect, it would become more shrill.

[DexterGordonisKing]

Yes, that helps tons as well. Thank you guys for the help. It is much appreciated

[SactoPete]

I see I was beat to it:

http://www.idrs.org/publications/Jou...0.Schmidt.html

Google is your friend. "Reed deterioration study"... second item on list.

Pete

[Canadiain]

DUDE! Thank you! That's the one, the International Double Reed Society one... The other one looks helpful as well. Thank you so much for your help!

~DexterGordonisKing

De Nada

Good luck with the paper

And dont forget to do a random act of kindness for someone else eh, its what makes the world a better place.

[michaelbaird]

Saliva may only digest simple sugars but simple sugars are CHO carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. Cellulose would also consist of CHO as well with double and single bonds on different areas of the molecular chain. I've heard of oboe players soaking their reads in Peroxide (H2O2) to counter the effects of saliva which makes sense becuase the extra oxygen molecule would be available to bond with a free positively charged molecule.

[Canadiain]

Saliva may only digest simple sugars but simple sugars are CHO carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. Cellulose would also consist of CHO as well with double and single bonds on different areas of the molecular chain. I've heard of oboe players soaking their reads in Peroxide (H2O2) to counter the effects of saliva which makes sense becuase the extra oxygen molecule would be available to bond with a free positively charged molecule...I think saliva's properties play a big role myself.

On the other hand one of the patents I bumped into on my quick search stated that peroxide actually reduces the useful life of a reed....

[SactoPete]

Here's the full abstract:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1995PhDT.......186C

[DexterGordonisKing]

Thank you guys, the info is fantabulous. Looks like my research paper won't be quite so much of a beast now...

~DexterGordonisKing

[gary]

Thank you guys, the info is fantabulous. Looks like my research paper won't be quite so much of a beast now.

Now that you signed up, don't be a stranger.
Ya'll come back now, ya heah?

[cvsimson]

If you want another theory to broaden your discussion, try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_(material)

Cheers,

CvS

[DexterGordonisKing]

Now that you signed up, don't be a stranger.
Ya'll come back now, ya heah?

I hear. I play tenor sax, so I think this forum will be useful in the future. From the other forums I've been on, this one seems pretty well moderated as well, which is a definite plus... Again, thank you all for your help.

~DexterGordonisKing

[DexterGordonisKing]

If you want another theory to broaden your discussion, try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_(material)

Cheers,

CvS

Wow, that's really cool. I'm looking at it now...

~DexterGordonisKing

[captain blowhard]

Doncha just love a happy ending . . .