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    I cant find a good counting method. i can count 16th notes(1e&a,ect.) but how to count 32, 64th.?
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    Just subdivide.

    Either that or get really into the song so you can FEEL the 32nd and 64ths. Might I suggest listening to some thrash-metal where the drummer double-kicks 32nd-notes through the entire song?
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    Okay, I'm having trouble finding counting for 64th and 128th so i know your dilemna but I take pleasure in informing that I know a method of counting 32nd notes. It's:

    1e+a+e+a 2e+a+e+a 3e+a+e+a 4e+a+e+a

    I actually made this account just to tell you that XD
    So I may never sign back on, hope it helps.

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    Default Re: how do you count 32nd and 64th notes?

    Those are 16th quintuplets! I'm with vortex, who's last post on SOTW, I believe, was before I joined... Talk about a dead thread: 4 posts in 7 years!

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    Some years back, I hooked up with a friend who played French horn in one of the B orchestras in Munich, who always had interesting stories about musicians in the Legit world. That day, the conductor had approached the oboist, in an indirect attempt to ascertain why the obviously talented, Japanese, 2nd flautist (who sat next to the oboist) was losing tempo during quick technical passages. It turns out the flautist was in the habit of mentally subdividing 128th notes, no matter what tempo! They cut him back to 16ths/16th triplets, and everyone was happy. I don't know what syllables he used, but you might try Japanese, if English doesn't work for you.

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    Just count by saying "I-cant-play-thirt-y-sec-ond-notes-with-out-some-kind of-dev-ice-to-help-me-di-vide-the-beat-in-to-all-those-parts-eq-uall-y-with-ease" for each beat.

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    I'm wondering when people ask questions like that if they can actually play at that level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gary View Post
    I'm wondering when people ask questions like that if they can actually play at that level.
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    Default Re: how do you count 32nd and 64th notes?

    Yep, he is a good player. My comment was really more general, meaning not to put the cart before the horse, a tendency of many newer players I've seen on this forum. It wasn't clear the way I wrote it that it was a one-off comment.

    Jovan - depending on tempo, I might give the notes a duh-guh-duh-guh-duh-guh-duh-guh sounds, but they usually fly by so fast, I don't give them (nor am I aware of any) any conventional sound/words like "one-tah-tay-tah, two-tah-tay-tah" etc. And conceptually, I often have to subdivide them to make sure I've got them metrically correct.
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    Default Re: how do you count 32nd and 64th notes?

    What I wonder is why count them, why not just play them? Am I missing something?

    Is this impro or reading?

    If you are reading a chart and there are 32nd notes, you basically start at the first note and aim for the next beat and rely on your sense of timing being good enough to get to that next beat at approximately the right time.

    If you are improvising, then why worry. Don't play 32nds if you aren't comfortable.

    Either way, I don't see why there is a need to count them. (Unless you are being paid per note)

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    OP may have gone from freshman to PhD by now... LOL

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    Yup, that was sorta what I was thinking...
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    Default Re: how do you count 32nd and 64th notes?

    Actually, he appears to have gone from HS freshman to college junior, but the point remains valid.
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    Default Re: how do you count 32nd and 64th notes?

    Strangely, I don't count fast notes. Once it's in my head, I just let that part of my mind that knows these things just handle it. I guess Pete suggested this above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanPerezSax View Post
    OP may have gone from freshman to PhD by now... LOL
    Hey dude, you were the first poster after Necroshade revived this thread. It's all your fault for not calling him out on it. Your fault, I tell ya. Your fault!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gary View Post
    Hey dude, you were the first poster after Necroshade revived this thread. It's all your fault for not calling him out on it. Your fault, I tell ya. Your fault!

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    You brought this thread back to life Dan! Like a God!

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    Dan Dan he's da Man, if he can't revive it, no one can!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperAction80 View Post
    Dan Dan he's da Man, if he can't revive it, no one can!
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    Now we got a perfect example of how myths, cults, beliefs can evolve out of nonsense and still become public opinion:

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