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    Quote Originally Posted by geauxsax View Post
    Since I got a new tenor, how about a peek at Team Holton? Now I need a Bari and sop.
    Great photos!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaPorte View Post
    A new addition to the Collegiate I list. The only non silver plated one until now.
    Thanks for the link. Is it possible this was originally silver that was later refinished? I had a King C-melody like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soybean View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LaPorte View Post
    A new addition to the Collegiate I list. The only non silver plated one until now.
    Thanks for the link. Is it possible this was originally silver that was later refinished? I had a King C-melody like that.
    Yes, that's possible. I'm going to change that in the list. Thank you for the tip.
    Couturier straight soprano > Claude Lakey 7* > Vandoren java / marca jazz 2.0
    Couturier alto > Jody Jazz esp 8 > m.a.r.c.a. jazz 2.0
    Couturier tenor> Jody Jazz esp 7* > m.a.r.c.a jazz 2.5


    "Why would I play on an ordinary, modern horn if it doesn't bring any special character to the music?" Al Mc Lean

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    Couturier straight soprano > Claude Lakey 7* > Vandoren java / marca jazz 2.0
    Couturier alto > Jody Jazz esp 8 > m.a.r.c.a. jazz 2.0
    Couturier tenor> Jody Jazz esp 7* > m.a.r.c.a jazz 2.5


    "Why would I play on an ordinary, modern horn if it doesn't bring any special character to the music?" Al Mc Lean

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaPorte View Post
    A new addition to the Collegiate I list. These well made saxophones are hardly noticed, mostly regarded as Martin stencils. The body is 'Couturier' (LaPorte), no stencil!

    http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=180358751326

    Quote Originally Posted by LaPorte View Post
    As announced, the COLLEGIATE I list.

    Soprano
    201849* sp

    Alto
    37xxx
    38015 sp
    38077 relaquered, originally silverplated?
    39224 sp
    39250 sp

    Tenor
    31602 sp

    Bariton
    202013* sp missing neck

    *stamped by Lyon&Healy
    Note the SN's of following baritones:

    202007, 202010 > Lyon&Healy
    202013 > Frank Holton!

    Referring to Harri Rautiainen's question: I would appreciate to examine more questions about the Couturier saxophone in a separate thread under a new title E.A.Couturier.
    Couturier straight soprano > Claude Lakey 7* > Vandoren java / marca jazz 2.0
    Couturier alto > Jody Jazz esp 8 > m.a.r.c.a. jazz 2.0
    Couturier tenor> Jody Jazz esp 7* > m.a.r.c.a jazz 2.5


    "Why would I play on an ordinary, modern horn if it doesn't bring any special character to the music?" Al Mc Lean

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    Just to remind:

    Quote Originally Posted by Harri Rautiainen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by geauxsax View Post
    Holton fans: Should "Couturier" be added to the title of the Holton sectioN--maybe in parenthesis, since they (at least to me) seem vital to early Holton development and production.

    Thoughts?
    Any other opinions on this?
    My vote: E.A.Couturier should not be added to the title of the Holton section, but get his own title. See #472, also. Thank you, geauxsax for that question!

    Felix
    Couturier straight soprano > Claude Lakey 7* > Vandoren java / marca jazz 2.0
    Couturier alto > Jody Jazz esp 8 > m.a.r.c.a. jazz 2.0
    Couturier tenor> Jody Jazz esp 7* > m.a.r.c.a jazz 2.5


    "Why would I play on an ordinary, modern horn if it doesn't bring any special character to the music?" Al Mc Lean

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    With this addition I stop updating the list #292, page 15 as it has served its purpose: Showing details on the introduction of the Rudy Wiedoeft Model.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/HOLTON-RUDY-WIED...3A1%7C294%3A50
    Couturier straight soprano > Claude Lakey 7* > Vandoren java / marca jazz 2.0
    Couturier alto > Jody Jazz esp 8 > m.a.r.c.a. jazz 2.0
    Couturier tenor> Jody Jazz esp 7* > m.a.r.c.a jazz 2.5


    "Why would I play on an ordinary, modern horn if it doesn't bring any special character to the music?" Al Mc Lean

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    The following list has served its purpose, too as it shows that ca. 4,500 serial numbers are fictious. That means Frank Holton did not produce saxophones in Elkhorn 1918 and 1919. There never will be found a Holton saxophone e.g. with the SN 3177.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaPorte View Post
    Early Serial Numbers

    Made by
    Frank Holton Co.
    Chicago

    # 639 Eb alto
    # 759 Eb alto
    # 848 Bb tenor
    # 1169 C-melody s.p. 'deluxe'-engraving
    # 1189 Eb alto
    # 1200 Eb alto


    Made by
    Frank Holton Co.
    Elkhorn
    WIS

    C-melody

    #6196 sp
    #7686 sp
    #8517 sp
    #9501 sp
    #9799 sp

    Alto

    #6311 sp
    http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Holton-S...3A1%7C294%3A50[/QUOTE]
    Couturier straight soprano > Claude Lakey 7* > Vandoren java / marca jazz 2.0
    Couturier alto > Jody Jazz esp 8 > m.a.r.c.a. jazz 2.0
    Couturier tenor> Jody Jazz esp 7* > m.a.r.c.a jazz 2.5


    "Why would I play on an ordinary, modern horn if it doesn't bring any special character to the music?" Al Mc Lean

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    Questions concerning the Holton SN chart

    http://vintage.saxontheweb.net/Holton.html

    will be answered or discussed in this thread.

    Note that there are very few exceptions of Holton saxophones of which serial numbers don't match the reconstructed line:

    1. There are very rare CollegiateI (LaPorte type) saxophones built spring 1928 which bear the Lyon&Healy serial numbers (202xxx) instead of Holton SN.

    2. Some early CollegiateII saxophones with numbers < 30,000 don't match the line either (see the model list). These are built around 1931.
    Couturier straight soprano > Claude Lakey 7* > Vandoren java / marca jazz 2.0
    Couturier alto > Jody Jazz esp 8 > m.a.r.c.a. jazz 2.0
    Couturier tenor> Jody Jazz esp 7* > m.a.r.c.a jazz 2.5


    "Why would I play on an ordinary, modern horn if it doesn't bring any special character to the music?" Al Mc Lean

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaPorte View Post
    Here is a list of Holton-models from 1916 to 1940:

    BEAUFORT **(stencil, Austrian made); ca. 1916/1917; rare): split bell, keygards with forged ends (looks like duck feet)

    REVELATION-model, series Ia (Chicago 1917/18; rare): split bell, soldered toneholes, front F key, additional trill keys.

    REVELATION-model, series Ib (Elkhorn, spring 1918 - ca. 1930/partly longer?):
    Production continued in Elkhorn, Wisconsin, front F key from ca. 1926, early ones without front F key.

    RUDY WIEDOEFT model (ca.1925/28 - 1930/31..) B and Bb left side, corkless neck, round g#-key with mother of pearl-inlay, additional low C vent-key. From the beginning thirties without the "Rudy Wiedoeft model"- engraving.

    COLLEGIATE-series I* (1928/29/30?, rare) split bell, solid and bevelled (type: LaPorte, not Martin-style) soldered-on tone chimneys , L-shaped C#-G#-key
    Partly the production was sold under the tradename "Beaufort American" Production ended 1929in LaPorte; continued in Elkhorn ca. 1930?. Some "Beaufort American's" were built by Conn!

    REVELATION series II, (ca. 1931, very rare) split bell, engraving like Revelation I, new proportions, wider bore, new application, spatula keys like RUDY WIEDOEFT model, no front F, made in Elkhorn.

    COLLEGIATE series IIa* (from beginning thirties..): B and Bb left side, Corpus like Revelation II, keys only the 'needed', no front F

    REVELATION series III (ca. 1934/35), rare: B and Bb left side; additional engraving: "REVELATION" (to be continued..)

    COLLEGIATE series IIb* ca.1935-1941, like IIa, including front F! (Tenor stencilled by Gretsch 15xxx, first digit dropped ?! - 115xxx)

    RESO-TONE series 204 (1935-38; rare) Text of the original ad:

    "This is a new Holton Reso-Tone Alto Saxophone, built upon new proportions and with new tonal quality, new mouthpipe, new octave key, new keygards and new thumb rest. A completely new instrument that will set new standard in saxophone construction and tone."

    THE SPECIAL** (beginning forties; stencil, made in France; rare)

    * means: the serial numbers partly follow a different line of numbers
    ** means: the serial numbers follow a completely different line of numbers
    I hope the list will be revised and updated soon, as there are newer information especially concerning the 'Modern vintage Holtons'.

    Felix
    Couturier straight soprano > Claude Lakey 7* > Vandoren java / marca jazz 2.0
    Couturier alto > Jody Jazz esp 8 > m.a.r.c.a. jazz 2.0
    Couturier tenor> Jody Jazz esp 7* > m.a.r.c.a jazz 2.5


    "Why would I play on an ordinary, modern horn if it doesn't bring any special character to the music?" Al Mc Lean

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    Add to the Res-O-Tone, my model 214 tenor, which is identical to the alto, including the engraving, but without the special edge on the bell.
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    Couturier straight soprano > Claude Lakey 7* > Vandoren java / marca jazz 2.0
    Couturier alto > Jody Jazz esp 8 > m.a.r.c.a. jazz 2.0
    Couturier tenor> Jody Jazz esp 7* > m.a.r.c.a jazz 2.5


    "Why would I play on an ordinary, modern horn if it doesn't bring any special character to the music?" Al Mc Lean

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaPorte View Post
    Of course!

    Lot's of tarnish there Same side bell keys, extra"" keys, front F, and large LH pinky cluster.

    Nice mix of features.

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    ...good that it's got those "extra" keys...'cuz it's missing some of the regular ones !!!!

    yeah, man...I mean, it's not the grime and tarnish which scares me about horns in that condition....more so the rods and body....I love project horns, but the few I have bought like this one turned into real quagmires...

    sure it'll go for cheeeep....

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    No bargain. But a historically remarkable horn. That's what geauxsax and I are pointing out here. To be continued ...
    Couturier straight soprano > Claude Lakey 7* > Vandoren java / marca jazz 2.0
    Couturier alto > Jody Jazz esp 8 > m.a.r.c.a. jazz 2.0
    Couturier tenor> Jody Jazz esp 7* > m.a.r.c.a jazz 2.5


    "Why would I play on an ordinary, modern horn if it doesn't bring any special character to the music?" Al Mc Lean

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    If any viewers are bidding, please let me know and I will stay out. Otherwise I will bid on this, restore it and find a good home for it.
    jazzbug1
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzbug1 View Post
    If any viewers are bidding, please let me know and I will stay out. Otherwise I will bid on this, restore it and find a good home for it.
    Go 'Bug, Go!!!

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    Dang--how'd I miss this???

    http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-VTG-1930s-H...3A1%7C294%3A24

    Not an Axe, but I would have hung it up in my "studio"

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    Quote Originally Posted by geauxsax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jazzbug1 View Post
    If any viewers are bidding, please let me know and I will stay out. Otherwise I will bid on this, restore it and find a good home for it.
    Go 'Bug, Go!!!
    The only thing I aimed for is the serial number. The seller promised to check it but forgot to tell me. So I urgently hope you'll be the winner, Mr. jazzbug!
    Couturier straight soprano > Claude Lakey 7* > Vandoren java / marca jazz 2.0
    Couturier alto > Jody Jazz esp 8 > m.a.r.c.a. jazz 2.0
    Couturier tenor> Jody Jazz esp 7* > m.a.r.c.a jazz 2.5


    "Why would I play on an ordinary, modern horn if it doesn't bring any special character to the music?" Al Mc Lean

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    Quote Originally Posted by geauxsax View Post
    Dang--how'd I miss this???

    http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-VTG-1930s-H...3A1%7C294%3A24

    Not an Axe, but I would have hung it up in my "studio"
    AAAAAAAWWWW...that's a hella cool banner ! But it was listed in the "collectibles" category...so that's probably why it went under the radar...

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