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    Default Looking for a darker Soprano sound

    After a relatively long period of satisfaction, my sound on soprano seems too bright (and maybe a tad thin).

    Where would you advise I go from a Morgan Vintage 7 ?

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    Try a large chamber mouthpiece. That should help a bit. I like dark sounding tenors and alto's, but I like a bright sounding soprano.
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    Finding an old George Bundy mouthpiece might do the trick, but they won't be very open. A Selmer Metal Classic is a nice sounding piece as well.

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    You want a low baffle piece like a vintage Buescher or Martin. Also, some modern BARI pieces are rather dark with a low baffle.

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    I find the Morgan Vintages to be quite bright in general. I'd recommend a current or vintage (if you're rich) Otto Link HR. In my opinion they feel similar but are less bright than the morgan.

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    Depends how dark you want to go. If you want REALLY dark, get a Caravan and have it refaced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Max
    Depends how dark you want to go. If you want REALLY dark, get a Caravan and have it refaced.
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    What do you get out of a refaced Caravan that you don't get out of a stock Caravan ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmclean
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    What do you get out of a refaced Caravan that you don't get out of a stock Caravan ?

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    A bigger tip opening. I'm assuming that Lorenzo is looking for a jazz mouthpiece if he's currently playing a Morgan Vintage 7. (Which is around a .65 if memory serves me.) You'll need to be able to put more air through the horn for jazz/commercial playing.
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    Morgan Vintage 7 is shown as .070" in the info for those pieces. The #6 is
    .065". The Super Session J is shown as .069" for comparison purposes. I find the Morgan Vintage 7 to be the warmest sop mouthpiece I've ever played. DAVE
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    Thanks for the various input ...

    I must say I do love the medium and low register that I get with the Morgan, maybe I just have to work more on the upper register ... actually that is highly likely ;-)

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    [QUOTE= I find the Morgan Vintage 7 to be the warmest sop mouthpiece I've ever played. DAVE[/QUOTE]


    Dave,

    BARIs are often indicated as dark, as subjective as that label is.

    Have you ever played any BARI mpcs?

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    L. I have a Bari Esprit and it is okay, but nothing like my SS-J's and Morgan Vintage pieces. I have not played the more open Bari pieces - would like to some time but honestly, I won't go out of my way to do it.

    Reason? I love my SS-J's and Morgan Vintages and I have no need for something else (not there isn't anything better out there, I just don't have the need). DAVE
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    Direct comparison between hard rubber Bari and Morgan Vintage of similar opening showed the latter was much darker.
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    After trying darker mouthpieces, if you still want a darker sound, you will need to consider getting a darker sounding soprano. Several of the vintage ones are darker than their modern versions. My straight Conn is very dark. Vintage curved sops can be even darker. If I use a Buescher mouthpiece it really wallows in darkness.
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    Mojo: Funny, I think my three Yanagisawa sopranos are all darker than my '28 Buescher TT. Our counter-opinions in this regard just serve to make my earlier point - one person's dark is another person's bright. DAVE
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    There are usually exceptions to general trends. I might think your Yanas sound brighter than your Buescher too. Or I might not.

    Some say all curvys are darker than straights. I agree with in the same brand. But many straight vintage sops are darker than a modern curved sops.
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    Mojo: There's another one with which I don't agree. I have three Yanagisawa sopranos . . . SC902 (curved), S992 (straight) and S901 (straight). Both straight Yanagisawas sound darker to my ear then the SC902 . . . except when I recorded on the SC902. Then, it just sounded like a soprano (subject of another thread, by the way).

    Both straight Yanagisawa sops sound the same when I play them (one bronze, one brass). DAVE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Dolson
    Mojo: There's another one with which I don't agree. I have three Yanagisawa sopranos . . . SC902 (curved), S992 (straight) and S901 (straight). Both straight Yanagisawas sound darker to my ear then the SC902 . . . except when I recorded on the SC902. Then, it just sounded like a soprano (subject of another thread, by the way).

    Both straight Yanagisawa sops sound the same when I play them (one bronze, one brass). DAVE
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Max
    You've got a lot of horns, Dave...no criticism meant, just an observation...

    At least they aren't Itallian .
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    Ah, but they WERE Italian a while back . . . three Rampones (tipped bell sop, sopranino, R1 alto).

    Yes, I know I have a lot of horns, but there are others here who have a HUGE number of saxophones. DAVE
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