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    Sorry-- samr thing happened to me. I dropped my Edison laptop and most of the tubes broke!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaPorte View Post
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    I'm having a slight delay on the "Modern Vintage" list: I dropped my laptop and killed the harddrive, and can't log on to SOTW at work. I finally got my hands on a public computer, but access is sporadic.
    That's too bad, hope there will be a solution soon.

    What do you think about a common model list including all Holton saxophones?

    Felix

    Felix-- I think that's a great idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayeSF View Post
    ....send me a couple of your horns, and I'll send you a laptop.....

    actually...I am very sorry to hear about it....that must be a drag


    BTW...I just noticed my Revelation has the model # '243' on it...
    Tempting. . .

    Oh--for the Revelation: Look at the "243" closely--I'll bet it's a 213 with an awkward looking "1".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzbug1 View Post
    Sorry-- samr thing happened to me. I dropped my Edison laptop and most of the tubes broke!
    I think I need to buy a "toughbook" (or whatever they're called) if I'm going to be such a klutz.


    Oh--computer is supposed to be back today. . .we'll see. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by geauxsax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LaPorte View Post

    What do you think about a common model list including all Holton saxophones?

    Felix

    Felix-- I think that's a great idea!
    That's fine. My suggestion: The Model list for the period 1916-1931/1932 is in need of revision. That will be done by me soon. Questions and suggestions are very appreciated.

    I would be glad to help composing the list of the 'three digit models' or Modern Vintage Holton's (e.g. I have researched again 'The Special'. The result is new and better information now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geauxsax View Post
    Oh--for the Revelation: Look at the "243" closely--I'll bet it's a 213 with an awkward looking "1".
    D'oh !!!!!

    ...yes, it is a '1'.....


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    I made the same mistake on my model 214. The numbers are so tiny that the 1 looked like a 4, so I initially called it a 244. One needs a magnifying glass to read the numbers. I've never seen a horn with such tiny numbers. Double D'oh!
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    A very interesting Holton "Ideal" model just sold on ebay. It is model #465 with a high F# key! (I suspect someone on this board bought it.) The serial number is 122397. I'll post photos later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soybean View Post
    A very interesting Holton "Ideal" model just sold on ebay. It is model #465 with a high F# key! (I suspect someone on this board bought it.) The serial number is 122397. I'll post photos later.
    I saw that one. Maybe an alto version of the 475 tenor (which I've never seen)? It had LH bell keys, and a RH cluster unlike the 230 series altos.

    edit: also a pearl F# trill (unlike my 232s)
    earlier than my 232 sn's too (265 sn: 122397)
    Also, the neck octave key is the "old style", not the fancy double arm style like the Stratodynes, 230 series altos, and late 241s
    Lastly, what's with the odd neck tenon by the cork?

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    ....I'll tell you about it...when it arrives.

    I figured the serial places it in the mid-30's and my Revelation is from then, and I love it. Also noticed the add'l keys and key treatments, so am figuring it may have been a first-line model....(?)

    ...if anyone turns up anything on 'em, please post it either here or on my "265" thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayeSF View Post
    ....I'll tell you about it...when it arrives.

    I figured the serial places it in the mid-30's and my Revelation is from then, and I love it. Also noticed the add'l keys and key treatments, so am figuring it may have been a first-line model....(?)

    ...if anyone turns up anything on 'em, please post it either here or on my "265" thread.
    Here's some pics: Jaye--you're off a digit: it's a 465 vice 265. Did you really buy that one?

    By the way, this one predates at least some 230 altos: Note post #47 this thread for reference (230 alto s/n 139XXX)

    Also, note that the 465 alto is 100% contemporary to the 204 Resotone altos:
    http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=96787

    Now: we need a pic of the mythical 475 tenor! Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

    Enjoy:







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    D'oh !

    Yes, I meant 465 and yes....it is now mine.

    I will report back on it when I rec'v. Can snap some more telling photos as well, so you can save some image space ....


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    Nice Score!



    Also, I compared pics of an "early" 241 tenor (around 182XXX I believe) and a "late" 241. They have different necks (the single prong soldered to a loop octave key vs. the fancier double prong key), and different LH pinky clusters among other things. I'll post pics later!

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    So do you guys think that is really a high F# key on the 465, or possibly a trill key like Holtons from the 1920s?

    If it's a high F#, that would be very unusual on any sax of that era.
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    Sure looks to be a basic F#....but...this mystery...along with that very odd looking neck thing going on....will be uncovered soon enuff....

    Not a darn thing online about any Ideal series....fo' sure....

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    Nice 241 tenor on eBay… left side bell keys.


    http://cgi.ebay.com/Holton-241-Tenor...%3A3|294%3A100
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    The last one that sold on open auction actually fetched good $$...over $600, if I recall. Well, not 'good' $....but significantly better than the $250-400 range they were going for back in February...

    Hey...I wonder if our Secret Corner of the Forum here has been referenced enough that folks are beginning to smarten up as to the true worth of vintage Holtons ...????

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    Default Re: "Modern" Vintage Holtons

    Quote Originally Posted by geauxsax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by soybean View Post
    A very interesting Holton "Ideal" model just sold on ebay. It is model #465 with a high F# key! (I suspect someone on this board bought it.) The serial number is 122397. I'll post photos later.
    I saw that one. Maybe an alto version of the 475 tenor (which I've never seen)? It had LH bell keys, and a RH cluster unlike the 230 series altos.
    Quote Originally Posted by geauxsax View Post
    Now: we need a pic of the mythical 475 tenor! Anyone?
    Here are photos of the 'Holton Ideal' tenor sold January '09 on ebay:

    http://s546.photobucket.com/albums/h...e1922/sax7.jpg

    http://s546.photobucket.com/albums/h...e1922/sax4.jpg

    There is no photo from the reverse side, no model or serial number.

    Felix
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    Couturier tenor> Jody Jazz esp 7* > m.a.r.c.a jazz 2.5


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    Quote Originally Posted by LaPorte View Post
    Here are photos of the 'Holton Ideal' tenor sold January '09 on ebay
    After looking at those photos again, it seems there is no high F# key, correct?
    Life is too short for long tones

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    Quote Originally Posted by soybean View Post
    After looking at those photos again, it seems there is no high F# key, correct?
    I agree, there seems to be no high F#. I suspect the 'High F#' key is an usual G# trill key with an unusual mother of pearl inlay?
    Couturier straight soprano > Claude Lakey 7* > Vandoren java / marca jazz 2.0
    Couturier alto > Jody Jazz esp 8 > m.a.r.c.a. jazz 2.0
    Couturier tenor> Jody Jazz esp 7* > m.a.r.c.a jazz 2.5


    "Why would I play on an ordinary, modern horn if it doesn't bring any special character to the music?" Al Mc Lean

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