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    I've come across a good deal for a conn bari but I'm a little hesitant because it says mexico. The serial number is N 79051. Any comments on if this is a good horn would be greatly appreciated.

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    Some are good, some are not so good. I find the set-up is usually what is needed. Is it a low A by chance? What type of price and was it an old school horn? It costs the same to redo a top line horn as a beat up one. Baris demand a high price due to teh availability and today shipping one is a bit steep.

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    I have an N-serialed Conn bari (low Bb) circa 1970. It does NOT say Mexico on it, or USA for that matter. It does not have shooting stars, just some "normal" looking engraving. It plays fine, and was a good deal @ $700. It could be a good horn because the early run of these they were still using the 12m body tubes, etc. What year does this serial number line up with?
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    http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthr...ight=macmillan


    says this:

    N0001-N83000 - 1970-1975
    N83000-N89486 - 1976
    N91314-N98992 - 1977
    N98993-N111820 - 1978
    N111821-N128691 - 1979
    N128692-N145001 - 1980
    N145002-N154753 - 1981
    N154954-N170003 - 1982
    N170004-N184336 - 1983
    N184337-N201207 - 1984
    N201208-N221243 - 1985
    N221244-N240141 - 1986
    N240142-N261465 - 1987
    N262466-N273178 - 1988
    38 11713 - 38 21881 - 1988
    39 00001 - 1989
    etc.

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    Its a low Bb for 1500, the guys at the store let me try it with selmer C and it played top to bottom with no problems

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    That's... high. I wouldn't do it, personally.
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    Too much. I sold a nice gold plated Buescher for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by click View Post
    http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthr...ight=macmillan


    says this:

    N0001-N83000 - 1970-1975
    N83000-N89486 - 1976
    N91314-N98992 - 1977
    N98993-N111820 - 1978
    N111821-N128691 - 1979
    N128692-N145001 - 1980
    N145002-N154753 - 1981
    N154954-N170003 - 1982
    N170004-N184336 - 1983
    N184337-N201207 - 1984
    N201208-N221243 - 1985
    N221244-N240141 - 1986
    N240142-N261465 - 1987
    N262466-N273178 - 1988
    38 11713 - 38 21881 - 1988
    39 00001 - 1989
    etc.


    Yeah, man...thanks for posting the whole abbreviated thing....Stocker and other members here did a lotta research to come up with this revised "N" list....the one which almost every other online resource uses is dead wrong when it comes to the N serials. This one is pretty darn good....still an estimate, but likely damn close.

    Regarding the horn....they can be quite solid....advice: I wouldn't outright reject any Mexico-made Conn sax simply on the basis it was made in Mexico.

    If you can try it out, do so. Then examine certain aspects of the horn, such as:

    Is there play in the barrels of the keys ?

    Are the posts aligned ?

    Are the pinky table keys aligned (meaning are they all at the same level, so you can slide your finger across the rollers without hitting a pothole) ?

    Are the bellkeys, in the open position, more or less at the same elevation/level with each other while the pinky table keys are level to each other ?

    ...these were some of the construction issues which I have found with some MX horns. There are perhaps others, maybe some folks can chime in with them.

    Also.....Price. I am going to disagree with the above comments.

    Used Private Seller's Market says that an MX-made 12M should run around 15-20% less than a '60's, late-USA made one...and about 30% less than a later, say '55-'60, Naked Lady one....

    give or take. This means one could snatch one off of eFlay for less than what the shop has it priced at. But that's eFlay, and you take your chances as to whether you get a completely playing instrument.

    HOWEVER....YOU SAY IT IS A LOCAL SHOP, AND YOU SAY IT PLAYS UP AND DOWN VERY WELL. So, if it gets home and stops playing nicely, ostensibly you can bring it back and have 'em tweak it for nothing or next to nothing...since they sold it to you.

    So...seriously...that is worth a few hundred bucks right there.

    Is $1500 for a teched-up late model Conn Baritone a bad deal ? No, it isn't a terrible deal.
    Would I be inclined to offer $100 less and see if they say yes ? Yes....Most shops selling used horns leave a tad of negotiating room.

    If they say no dice....then I'd counter...OK, $1500 ....cash, no tax added.... and you throw in a mouthpiece.

    Could you buy an older King or Buescher on eFlay for less, put money into it, and have the total investment come out to less than $1500 ? Probably.

    But again....you will never have touched or heard the horn prior to buying it... and you will not have established a good customer relationship with a local shop.

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