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    Question Double Reed on Sax

    Sorry if this is in the wrong place.

    I was wondering if anyone knew how to make a double reed for either the bari or tenor. Has anyone ever tried this? Is it possible within reason?

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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    google sarrousaphone. The result resembles farting inside a water heater of significant proportions (both the farting and the water heater)
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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    Are you high?
    We already have the bassoon and contra bassoon. No need to put a double reed on a saxophone.
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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    Quote Originally Posted by jicaino View Post
    google sarrousaphone. The result resembles farting inside a water heater of significant proportions (both the farting and the water heater)
    Maybe it should have been called the 'Flatuphone'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bandmommy View Post
    Maybe it should have been called the 'Flatuphone'.
    the baritone phart-o-phone hehehe
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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    All these things are worth trying to see what happens IMO. I've tried soprano mouthpieces on cornet, great fun. I would just try and wedge a bassoon reed into the neck somehow and see what happens.

    Please report back to us with video/soundclips. Psychiatric report optional.

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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    always interesting , after all there are big similarities among the saxophone and the sarrusophone to the point that.......

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarrusophone

    "The fingering of the sarrusophone is nearly identical to that of the saxophone. This similarity caused Adolphe Sax to file and lose at least one lawsuit against Gautrot, claiming infringement upon his patent for the saxophone. Sax lost on the grounds that the tone produced by the two families of instruments is markedly different, despite their mechanical similarities. However, because the sarrusophone never reached wide acceptance, makers were not inclined to develop its mechanism to the same extent as that of the saxophone...”



    if you want to experiment you need some sort of BOCAL to place the reed in the saxophone somehow.............abd listen to the advise given in the first video, at the end!



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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    The bore width of the sax precludes a practical double reed for it. It would have to be huge.

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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    also of the sopranino? (I hate to think what a sarrusophone sopranino would sound like.......... )

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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    You should be able to wedge a bassoon reed into a sopranino sax (remove the binding and wrap PTFE tape around it), but it might sound funny or might sound alright. Having never heard a soprano (or sopranino) Sarrusophone or Rothphone I can only suspect they sound like an oboe but louder when played by someone with a well developed oboe embouchure. But it depends on the player's ability and if they have a good concept of what an ideal tone should be (as is true with any instrument - the bloke in the 2nd video has absolutely no concept of what a good tone is!).

    I read the tarogato was originally a loud double reed instrument (a type of shawm), but it was later decided while developing a more modern version a single reed mouthpiece was easier and more acceptable for it.
    F*** the notes, go for the tone!

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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    Yes, a louder Oboe, that's what everybody's dreaming of... :tsk:

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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    Most people consider dealing with one reed at a time torture enough, yet here you want to suffer with two. Have you considered seeing a therapist to help you deal with this masochistic desire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kymarto View Post
    The bore width of the sax precludes a practical double reed for it. It would have to be huge.
    You could wrap cloth and teflon tape around the double reed cork so it will fit in the neck and then learn how to make oboe or bassoon reeds. Of course you won't have any time to practice or maybe that was the purpose of starting this thread.

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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    you could also put a pair of socks inside the bell way down to the bow and use a single reed MPC, and it will sound like any double reed. And probably if the socks are dirty, you'd smell like an oboist too.
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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    Quote Originally Posted by martinm5862 View Post


    You could wrap cloth and teflon tape around the double reed cork so it will fit in the neck and then learn how to make oboe or bassoon reeds. Of course you won't have any time to practice or maybe that was the purpose of starting this thread.
    As with the sax mpc, the interior volume between the reed blades is critical for intonation. A bassoon reed on a soprano would probably be akin to a sopranino mpc on a tenor...

    And of course the staple should be a smooth extension of the body cone. Compare the end of a bassoon vocal to the end of even a 'nino neck and you will clearly see that this is a non-starter--you would have to build some weird bocal to fit on the neck. It could be done, I suppose.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5MznmYLNGI

    this is another sax variant i guess...

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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    Nice! More or less a primitive tárogató, no?

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    Default Re: Double Reed on Sax

    Mentioning the sarrusaphone, there was a variant called the Rothphone which was essentially a sarrusaphone but in a saxophone shape. It came in many sizes but the bore was much slimmer. It looked like a very skinny saxophone with a double reed! There's a nice photo of a tenor rothphone at saxpics.com: http://www.saxpics.com/?v=gal&a=5346

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