What fingering for Bb would a "P" denote?

[Mezmorizor]

I'm learning the dubois concerto, and I can't for the life of me figure out what the "P" above A# in the first accelerando is supposed to mean. It seems like both bis and 1/2 and the side key would work in the passage, but I'm by no means a sax master.

Also, is this the right section to post something like this in?

Edit: It also appears later on in the piece, also above an A#. The first time it appears the notes are(m will stand for middle, such as, h will stand for high, so ledger line non altissimo notes and ):

mD# mF# hE hD# hG hA# hE hC# hE

The second case time it appears is:

hC hA#(this one has the P) mF hA#(This one has Ta over it) hC hA hF

Edit 2: And now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure the P means bis, but a second opinion would still help

[ratracer]

Not having the music in front of me, I would hazard the guess of piano, or play softly?

Based on the progression of notes you provide, I can't see any outstanding advantage to using the Bis key that the composer/arranger would specify. It would work just fine but so would a couple other fingerings. I'm thinking the xoo|xoo fingering would be good for ease of transition between the A#'s and the F.

Be very interesting to hear the thoughts of others, with more experience with this piece, indeed!

[Mezmorizor]

Not having the music in front of me, I would hazard the guess of piano, or play softly?

Based on the progression of notes you provide, I can't see any outstanding advantage to using the Bis key that the composer/arranger would specify. It would work just fine but so would a couple other fingerings. I'm thinking the xoo|xoo fingering would be good for ease of transition between the A#'s and the F.

Be very interesting to hear the thoughts of others, with more experience with this piece, indeed!

It's most likely not piano, the p is written above the note, not below. I'll see if I can get a small sample picture of the music up on here

[Mezmorizor]

Uploaded
First case: http://i.imgur.com/t47no.jpg
Second case: http://i.imgur.com/AA4Wu.jpg

[mfry]

Not familiar with the convention but p has to mean bis. side Bb impossible there. Looks like the Ta probably means side key.

[ratracer]

It's most likely not piano, the p is written above the note, not below. I'll see if I can get a small sample picture of the music up on here

True that. I admit grasping for the answer!

[ratracer]

Not familiar with the convention but p has to mean bis. side Bb impossible there. Looks like the Ta probably means side key.

Agreed. For some reason I had the picture of the notes down an octave in my mind's eye. Reading comprehension pretty bad on that one, sorry Mezmorizor.

[paulwl]

These are apparently part of a system of French symbols. I can't find a key to them on the web, however.

[Soul Patch Paul]

mfry is right according to what I've been taught. The "P" is indeed the bis B-flat and the "Ta" is the side B-flat.

[Soul Patch Paul]

Here's an article where you'll find them both referenced.

http://www.jimromainmusic.com/.../Pe...derations.pdf?...

I'm not good at placing links, but maybe this one will work or at least point in the right direction.

[Mezmorizor]

Alright, so I have been using the right fingerings. Thanks for all of the help

[gwysham]

Just found this at stevestusek.com

>Bis key (or “Bis-Bb”) Sometimes abbreviated "P" for "plateau" key in scores