Well it looks like my search for a good alto for my son may have an end in sight. My local band store has a very nice black/silver/grey two-tone A5-B Ice stone series big bell for sale. It is in very good condition, has the two necks, faux aligator case, and plays beautifully. The shop offers great terms as well. My only concern is the price $1395. I have no idea what this sax is worth and after much digging on the web, can't find much info either. Some prices are higher for similar saxophones. this one I am told has been discontinued. The store is well known for charging 15% + more than other local shops. Its a beautiful horn.