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    Default CE Winds Brushed Gold Tenor Review

    CE Winds Tenor:

    Purchasing: Excellent service. Brian is a very reasonable salesperson and a great guy to talk with as well.

    Packaging: Very well packed, bubble wrapped around case and inside of case, in a well fit box. All of the keys wedged down with a cork-like material.

    Contents:

    Cork Grease
    Tenor Strap
    Case Strap
    Hard Rubber Blank Mouthpiece
    Basic 2 Screw Lig
    Plastic Cap
    Polishing Cloth
    One Vandoren Trad 2.5
    One Rico Orange 2.5
    CE Winds Brushed Gold Tenor
    Brushed Gold Neck
    Silver Neck
    Copper Neck
    CE Winds Case with Backpack straps

    All in great condition and look superb. I was only expecting two necks, and the copper neck really surprised me! The finish on the horn is really stunning. I was blown away by it when I first looked at it. The keys all moved fine and easily, with great action.

    Here are pictures:
    https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/5252...Tenor?h=0084f5

    Playing The Beauty!
    First Day: (Played with Brushed Gold Neck and Phil Barone 7* Gold plated no name model and Vandoren Java 3)
    WOW, this horn just sang. I have only played 2 other tenors in my life, one was a conn shooting star model that badly needed an overhaul, and the other was my Evette and Schaeffer that also needed an overhaul. This thing just blew me away. Really easy to play, and I could easily play the entire register of the horn on the first time up and down!

    Really a nice tone that I love! Its just a fantastic horn to play! I played on this setup for about 1 hour straight. It just rang well with me!

    Setup Change (Silver Neck, Phil Barone 7* and Vandoren Java 3)

    Very similar to the other neck, however I did find that this neck seemed to be slightly less spread (more focused) of a sound, and also made it easier to control my dynamic range. Probably just myself making things up in my brain, but ppp was really really easy with this neck! It also looks phenomenal on the horn.

    Setup Change (Silver Neck, Hard Rubber Mouthpiece, 2 Screw Lig, and Vandoren trad 2.5)

    The sound changed quite a lot without Phil's mouthpiece. It got a lot colder sounding, and more resistant as well. Phil's piece is sure a lot easier to play! I also found that the ligature was tough to get to fit properly, but I think I've fixed that. I don't think this piece will be used very much at all however. Its a lot more closed, and definitely not the sound I'm looking for.

    Setup Change (Copper Neck, Phil Barone 7*, Vandoren Java 3)

    Back to the sound of the first neck in almost every way. It had a big round fullness to the sound, and I just loved playing it. I couldn't really determine a difference in the feel of these two necks, but I sure like the look of the copper on it as well.

    Overall Expereince:
    I'm amazed at the ease of play of this instrument, as well as how great it is to be able to control without very much experience with the instrument. The mouthpiece I'm using seems to be a great combination, and I am in love with it right now! I don't think I'll be able to put it down on a less busy day.

    I tried some altissimo, but I only know alto fingerings, so It didn't work out for me. However I did find that I can play the range of this horn with more ease than my P. Mauriat. I struggle with the palm keys on alto, but I can just make these ones sing with ease.

    However, I didn't do any tests that involved tuning, or much involvement with altissimo and overtones on this day. However, when I was playing a song, I did find that in the high register, I was struggling with keeping some of the notes in tune, which I would attribute to a biting problem. I can make the notes come in tune, but I'll have to work at it. I believe tenor will make my bite more noticeable!

    Second Day:
    Played Brushed Gold Neck, Phil Barone 7*, and Vandoren Java 3.

    Still loving the tone I am getting with this beast. I played through so many songs and I found it easier to do a lot of things, like growling and such. I hope to be able to work a lot on my tone and get it to where I want to be.

    I found it a little harder to hit the low register today. Starting at low Eb and down sometimes takes me multiple times to hit without approaching it, by descending from notes above. I believe this will work out with more practice on the instrument, but I already have a pretty good control. I have found that I'm more likely to be able to get Low Bb than low B, C, C#, D and Eb out though, which I find a little strange.

    Intonation: I played chromatically, starting at Middle C, and played down to low Bb, and then up to High F#. I found that I had to adjust a bit. The mouthpiece doesn't go on very far at all, less than 1/4 of the way down the cork, to be in tune. My intonation goes pretty flat in the low notes, but it stayed really well in the top register today. I think any problems with intonation at this point are things attributed to my embouchure, especially with the low note problems I'm having. I think the horn will be spot on!

    Overtones and Altissimo: The overtones on this are a little trickier than with my Mauriat alto. On that, I can get out the first 4 overtones of low Bb, but I can only get 2 overtones above Low Bb to come out on tenor. I didn't work at it very hard though. I will put more time into it later. I didn't get out an altissimo fingering chart, so I couldn't get things to work very well as I've only played alto altissimo, and am not very good at it. I couldn't get G, G# or A to sound at all, it just kept jumping about a sixth or so higher, but I could get Bb to sound pretty well. I'll give more time into this in the future as well.

    This horn is all I could have asked for and more. It is simply stunning how great the response is, and how easy it is to control! I am very impressed with the quality of the saxophone, and the quality of their set up on the saxophone. I will be shedding on this for a long time to come I feel.

    Here is my assessment wrapped up:

    Pros:
    Great Intonation
    Excellent Sound that fits my sound concept
    Beautiful Finish
    Great setup from the dealer
    A great package deal with lots of things included
    Ease of Response and quickness in action are superb
    Unbeatable Low Price and Plans from CE Winds

    Cons:
    Neck Strap a little hard on my neck. I prefer padded straps.
    Not their Professional Model, which scares me to think that it can only get much better!
    New Cases of GAS!!! I already have the want of a new neckstrap, another sax stand for this tenor, and seeing these great mouthpiece deals in the marketplace is killing me!
    Overtones/Altissimo problems, but I think that its just me, and I didn't put much time into it.

    Overall:
    This horn is great, couldn't ask for more. I'm very happy with my purchase, and I wish I had done so in the first place when I was tenor shopping! CE Winds is A+ in my book, and I recommend them to anyone who needs a sax at a great price with top notch playability and dealings! I will post more in a few weeks or a month or so as I try through the embouchure issues, as well as overtones and altissimo issues I didn't mess with enough.
    Alto: P. Mauriat 67R w/ Solid Nickel Silver Neck/Drake Custom Ceramic .085/Van. Java 2.5 Reeds and Hahn Synthetic 2.5
    Tenor: CE Winds Brushed Vintage Gold Alpha Tenor/Jody Jazz ESP .120/RJS 2M Unfiled
    Soprano: CE Winds Silver Plated Alpha Saxello/Yanagisawa 7 HR/ Van Java 2.5 Reeds
    My Playing: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=954022
    -Jared

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    Default Re: CE Winds Brushed Gold Tenor Review

    The pictures made me think of looking at horn porn.
    The Martin "Official Music Man" tenor, Barone black tenor, The Martin baritone, Richards Martin Indiana alto, cheap Chinese soprano, Metalite mouthpieces, Plasticover reeds, Nord Electro 2, bunch of other instruments
    Wall Of Blues, youtube video, P-Town All-Stars, get Rich, Cannons (my band in the 60's) and Cannons record

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinMusicMan View Post
    The pictures made me think of looking at horn porn.
    Glad you liked the pics! They are the first pictures I've ever taken that didn't go blurry. I'm amazed. The horn is just THAT pretty. Looks like its 'glamoured' up for the picture but its not! Lol
    Alto: P. Mauriat 67R w/ Solid Nickel Silver Neck/Drake Custom Ceramic .085/Van. Java 2.5 Reeds and Hahn Synthetic 2.5
    Tenor: CE Winds Brushed Vintage Gold Alpha Tenor/Jody Jazz ESP .120/RJS 2M Unfiled
    Soprano: CE Winds Silver Plated Alpha Saxello/Yanagisawa 7 HR/ Van Java 2.5 Reeds
    My Playing: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=954022
    -Jared

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    Great review and pictures J.

    It looks to me as though the Alpha line has improved since I tried one about 2 years ago.

    I hope you will post some sound samples soon.

    B
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    Quote Originally Posted by modman View Post
    Great review and pictures J.

    It looks to me as though the Alpha line has improved since I tried one about 2 years ago.

    I hope you will post some sound samples soon.

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    Sound Samples coming Tomorrow!

    I am getting better control over the range of the horn. I've been trying to get my favorite tunes together, and it turns out that King Curtis is going to be one of my primary tenor influences!
    Alto: P. Mauriat 67R w/ Solid Nickel Silver Neck/Drake Custom Ceramic .085/Van. Java 2.5 Reeds and Hahn Synthetic 2.5
    Tenor: CE Winds Brushed Vintage Gold Alpha Tenor/Jody Jazz ESP .120/RJS 2M Unfiled
    Soprano: CE Winds Silver Plated Alpha Saxello/Yanagisawa 7 HR/ Van Java 2.5 Reeds
    My Playing: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=954022
    -Jared

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoen3 View Post
    Sound Samples coming Tomorrow!

    I am getting better control over the range of the horn. I've been trying to get my favorite tunes together, and it turns out that King Curtis is going to be one of my primary tenor influences!
    They did'nt call him KING for nothing. B
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    Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by modman View Post
    They did'nt call him KING for nothing. B
    He truly is the king. I'd love to have that tone! I'm going to keep practicing towards that!

    Well I messed up my time, and have been limited more on the time I'm allowed to play on some days. Tomorrow Tenor recordings sound sample will come tomorrow. Fantastic!
    Alto: P. Mauriat 67R w/ Solid Nickel Silver Neck/Drake Custom Ceramic .085/Van. Java 2.5 Reeds and Hahn Synthetic 2.5
    Tenor: CE Winds Brushed Vintage Gold Alpha Tenor/Jody Jazz ESP .120/RJS 2M Unfiled
    Soprano: CE Winds Silver Plated Alpha Saxello/Yanagisawa 7 HR/ Van Java 2.5 Reeds
    My Playing: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=954022
    -Jared

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    Alright, despite a few flaws that I think will only get worse, I've recorded some 'listenable' sound samples, to try and show off what the horn can do. My playing on tenor is very limited, so please bear with me . Here is the link to a sound demo:

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5252284/CE%...d%20Sample.mp3 (Careful, if you're speakers are up loud you might get a scare.)

    And here is a song I just recently recorded on it for the Beginners thread:

    Summertime: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=8921600
    Alto: P. Mauriat 67R w/ Solid Nickel Silver Neck/Drake Custom Ceramic .085/Van. Java 2.5 Reeds and Hahn Synthetic 2.5
    Tenor: CE Winds Brushed Vintage Gold Alpha Tenor/Jody Jazz ESP .120/RJS 2M Unfiled
    Soprano: CE Winds Silver Plated Alpha Saxello/Yanagisawa 7 HR/ Van Java 2.5 Reeds
    My Playing: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=954022
    -Jared

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    This review only got me more excited to order one of these. I should be ordering one pretty soon, and at the price, it's really convenient as a 17 year old high schooler. Only question after is that I don't know what mouthpiece to buy.
    Alto: PJLA Newporte Jazze Brushed Copper, Meyer 8M, Vandoren Java 3s
    Tenor: Cannonball Gerald Albright Series, Jody Jazz HR* 7*, Vandoren Java 3s

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    If you want to go bright, like your alto set-up, then you can't go wrong with the CE Winds Silver Shocka mouthpiece. It is a great mpc for the money...

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    Default Re: CE Winds Brushed Gold Tenor Review

    Quote Originally Posted by tzacher View Post
    This review only got me more excited to order one of these. I should be ordering one pretty soon, and at the price, it's really convenient as a 17 year old high schooler. Only question after is that I don't know what mouthpiece to buy.
    This is definitely a phenomenal horn for the money, and I'm glad my review made it more desireable . There are tons of mouthpieces out there to try, just get a sound concept and ask for some help in the Tenor MPC subforum. That being said, I would assume that the CE Winds Silver Shocka mouthpiece would match the style of your Beechler Bellite.
    Alto: P. Mauriat 67R w/ Solid Nickel Silver Neck/Drake Custom Ceramic .085/Van. Java 2.5 Reeds and Hahn Synthetic 2.5
    Tenor: CE Winds Brushed Vintage Gold Alpha Tenor/Jody Jazz ESP .120/RJS 2M Unfiled
    Soprano: CE Winds Silver Plated Alpha Saxello/Yanagisawa 7 HR/ Van Java 2.5 Reeds
    My Playing: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=954022
    -Jared

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    I'm considering the Silva Shocka, but I'm not sure if I want the same kind of bright tone that I get with my Beechler.
    Alto: PJLA Newporte Jazze Brushed Copper, Meyer 8M, Vandoren Java 3s
    Tenor: Cannonball Gerald Albright Series, Jody Jazz HR* 7*, Vandoren Java 3s

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    Default Re: CE Winds Brushed Gold Tenor Review

    I had a Beechler Bellite on alto previously. My silva shocka is a little wider and has more of a duckbill shape compared to the beechler. I find the silva shocka more comfortable to play with better response. To darken the tone, I use a rovener dark ligature. It works great ! For the bright edgy sound, just use the stock ligature. You can't go wrong with a silva shocka.

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