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    I'd bet the STM would be good (use one on my KS20 tenors, all three of them), obviously depending on what opening works best for you. Also try Vandoren V16 mpcs (ebonite) -I use one on my 42 King Zephyr Special and KS20 altos and it is really freeblowing and versatile, like it was made for the horn.

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    I've just got a Super 20 tenor. The guy that sold it to me then tried to sell me the case and original guarantee separately. Most underhand and dubious
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

    Anyway, I've got a nice sax and I'm trying decide whether to try using a different mouthpiece. What pieces are yolu guys using on King tenors?

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    I have an early S20 tenor 297... and I like to use high baffled pieces on it. I've used Lamberson DD rubber and silver and Berg Stainless 1 and 0.

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    A lot of people seem to use Bergs on them. I've been using my Link whihc has decent sound but I feel it maybe isn't the best suited to a Super 20.

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    after playing my VI for the last 3 years I got back to play my S20 tenor yesterday. WOW !
    I realized why I fell in love with it. I might go back and play this one again exclusively....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oric Muso View Post
    A lot of people seem to use Bergs on them. I've been using my Link whihc has decent sound but I feel it maybe isn't the best suited to a Super 20.
    Interesting, because I have the opposite opinion. My Link STM 8 NY is my favorite mpc on my S20, and I prefer it to some of the great high baffle pieces I've had (RPC, vintage bronze duckbill Berg 115/1 SMS).
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    Out of curiosity, in case you guys have been following eBay for the past 2 months ... there seems to be a Chester Hazelett Silversonic sold on UK eBay.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT

    How much do you guys actually reckon this will worth, realistically.

    From what i can see, it is in the transitional period, with a silver bell and neck, and gold plated body!

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    Well, I think it is about time I joined the club as well. I've read all 27 pages and I'm up to speed. I have 3 Super 20's (very late mint Alto SilverSonic, Tenor with silver neck and fully pearls and Bari (with original gold lacquer).

    The tenor is my favorite, it plays like hell, so free blowing that it amazes me every time I play.

    Something is wrong with the Silversonic. I plays very heavely and every thing below the G' is impossible to blow consistantly. A leak or another problem needs to be resolved here but my tech couldn't find the suspected leak??? The condition of the horn is extremely nice though!!!

    For the Bari I need to find a decent mouthpiece. I have Selmer C* which is not suitable for the horn and I have a Meyer on loan which is a bit better but still not as good as a Jody Jazz ESP which I borrowed briefly at a sax meeting. With tat mpc the horn opened up and blowed me out of my socks!!! Strangly the horn doesn't have a site guard which a colleague Super 20 Bari in the same range did have...

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    S: Straigh King (#929xx, 1928)
    S: Curved King (#451xx, 1922)

    A: King Super 20 SilverSonic (#675xxx) - Jody Jazz 7 ESP - Francois Louis Ultimate Gold - Vandoren 2 1/2 <- For Sale
    A: King Zephyr Special (Silver!) (#2099xx, 1938)
    T: King Super 20 (#320xxx) - Jody Jazz 7 ESP - Francois Louis Ultimate Silver - Vandoren 3 (1953)
    B: King Super 20 (#411xxx) - Jody Jazz 8 ESP - Francois Louis Ultimate Brass - Vandoren 2,5 (1965)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedrampart View Post
    I'm a new member to this club.. new to the alto club too.

    I lucked out on this find at a pawn shop (posted about it in another thread). Its an early eastlake I guess, in great shape. only paid $450 for it, which is insane!!
    Wow, that is true steal!!! You are a lucky man/woman!!! Since I have a similar SilverSonic I have some questions:

    1) what serial range is your horn?

    2) how free blowing is the horn?

    As you can read in my previous mail I have some problems with my SS so your response would be appreciated...

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    S: Curved Bauhaus Walstein -Jody Jazz 6 ESP - Vandoren 2,5 (2010) <- For Sale
    S: Straigh King (#929xx, 1928)
    S: Curved King (#451xx, 1922)

    A: King Super 20 SilverSonic (#675xxx) - Jody Jazz 7 ESP - Francois Louis Ultimate Gold - Vandoren 2 1/2 <- For Sale
    A: King Zephyr Special (Silver!) (#2099xx, 1938)
    T: King Super 20 (#320xxx) - Jody Jazz 7 ESP - Francois Louis Ultimate Silver - Vandoren 3 (1953)
    B: King Super 20 (#411xxx) - Jody Jazz 8 ESP - Francois Louis Ultimate Brass - Vandoren 2,5 (1965)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Musquetier View Post
    Wow, that is true steal!!! You are a lucky man/woman!!! Since I have a similar SilverSonic I have some questions:

    1) what serial range is your horn?

    2) how free blowing is the horn?

    As you can read in my previous mail I have some problems with my SS so your response would be appreciated...

    regards,
    Rob.
    I have a 443xxx Silversonic, its from between 1965 and 1970.. probably from 68 or 69.. I think mine has some bell key leaks, I have no problems going to about low D (upper and lower octaves), but beyond, things get stuffy and depending on how far in the mouthpiece is on the neck when tuned, I get these vibrato sort of sounds (goes away if I pull the piece out, no matter which piece I use). If I really lower my jaw and push some heavy air through it sorts itself out and I can get below the D, so I'm guessing a lot of it has to do with embouchure still.

    I'm planning on taking it to a tech soon, since it hasn't been looked over since I picked it up.

    For you, I'd maybe try taking it to another tech, maybe a different set of eyes will shed some light on your problems. I'm still rather novice (well okay, I'm a beginner hehe), so unfortunately I doubt I can help you out more.. I'll try if you have anymore questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedrampart View Post
    I have a 443xxx Silversonic, its from between 1965 and 1970.. probably from 68 or 69.. I think mine has some bell key leaks, I have no problems going to about low D (upper and lower octaves), but beyond, things get stuffy and depending on how far in the mouthpiece is on the neck when tuned, I get these vibrato sort of sounds (goes away if I pull the piece out, no matter which piece I use). If I really lower my jaw and push some heavy air through it sorts itself out and I can get below the D, so I'm guessing a lot of it has to do with embouchure still.

    I'm planning on taking it to a tech soon, since it hasn't been looked over since I picked it up.

    For you, I'd maybe try taking it to another tech, maybe a different set of eyes will shed some light on your problems. I'm still rather novice (well okay, I'm a beginner hehe), so unfortunately I doubt I can help you out more.. I'll try if you have anymore questions.
    Sounds like a plan to me!

    Beginner? You start playing on a Silversonic? You're really lucky ... unlike me. My first proper playing when i first being serious about it was a C melody! Shocking :O

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedrampart View Post
    I have a 443xxx Silversonic, its from between 1965 and 1970.. probably from 68 or 69.. I think mine has some bell key leaks, I have no problems going to about low D (upper and lower octaves), but beyond, things get stuffy and depending on how far in the mouthpiece is on the neck when tuned, I get these vibrato sort of sounds (goes away if I pull the piece out, no matter which piece I use). If I really lower my jaw and push some heavy air through it sorts itself out and I can get below the D, so I'm guessing a lot of it has to do with embouchure still.

    I'm planning on taking it to a tech soon, since it hasn't been looked over since I picked it up.

    For you, I'd maybe try taking it to another tech, maybe a different set of eyes will shed some light on your problems. I'm still rather novice (well okay, I'm a beginner hehe), so unfortunately I doubt I can help you out more.. I'll try if you have anymore questions.
    You will thank yourself when you pack up those gorgeous horns and ship them to Randy Jones at Tenor Madness. He will return them to you playing better than your most ecstatic dreams. Then you will never let anyone else touch your Super 20's. Once you've been to the master on this you will want to keep your new higher level. Okay, so you are without your horn for a week or so, take out your theory books, drill down and study concepts again for a while. When your horn comes back into your hands it will blow your mind, and you will blow. And it will be good until the end of time.
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    Scales, scales, scales ... you will learn to hate them, but love to hate them because you love them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wingchung89 View Post
    Sounds like a plan to me!

    Beginner? You start playing on a Silversonic? You're really lucky ... unlike me. My first proper playing when i first being serious about it was a C melody! Shocking :O
    very lucky, crazy what you find at pawnshops. I also have a King Cleveland 613, I bought before finding the super20. I'm not a beginner to music, just sax, so I'm used to drilling over theory books and scales.

    -88-: I've heard about this guy, but its a bit far, I was thinking of a guy name Gino mentioned on here, he's in Toronto (which is 2 hours away from me), and gets good rep. Money's tight, so it may be a few weeks away still.
    King Super 20 Silversonic alto - 443xxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedrampart View Post
    very lucky, crazy what you find at pawnshops. I also have a King Cleveland 613, I bought before finding the super20. I'm not a beginner to music, just sax, so I'm used to drilling over theory books and scales.
    Hehe, for me, i'm not a beginner to the saxophone, but to theory. Shocking ... I'm starting to hate you for being so lucky. :O +1!

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    tedrampart,

    Yours is probably the baddest pawnshop deal ever!

    Anyway, Super 20 altos are known for being mouthpiece-selective and some, not all, have intonation problems. The Link should be good, but it is hard to recommend a mouthpiece for you if we don't know what kind of music you play and what kind of sound you like on your alto. My random shot would be metal Yanagisawa.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yellowhorn View Post
    tedrampart,

    Yours is probably the baddest pawnshop deal ever!

    Anyway, Super 20 altos are known for being mouthpiece-selective and some, not all, have intonation problems. The Link should be good, but it is hard to recommend a mouthpiece for you if we don't know what kind of music you play and what kind of sound you like on your alto. My random shot would be metal Yanagisawa.

    Good luck!
    +1 to Charlie Parker!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedrampart View Post
    I'm a new member to this club.. new to the alto club too.

    I lucked out on this find at a pawn shop (posted about it in another thread). Its an early eastlake I guess, in great shape. only paid $450 for it, which is insane!!
    I hope you know that this is the most hurtful post that I (and probably several others) have read on this site. No shame. No shame at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brasscane View Post
    I hope you know that this is the most hurtful post that I (and probably several others) have read on this site. No shame. No shame at all.
    C'mon, lighten up. I'm sure your time will come ... maybe ... probably ... or never? :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by wingchung89 View Post
    C'mon, lighten up. I'm sure your time will come ... maybe ... probably ... or never? :P
    Thank you for the encouragement. Like some philosopher said in hers/his infernal wisdom: "you never know".

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