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    Quote Originally Posted by squeak View Post
    on behalf of all members of the super 20 fan club i would like to extend my sincerest condolences . Clearly, desperate times must have called for such desperate measures . At the same time, however, i would like to compliment you in that you chose to downgrade to something other than selmer :d.
    lol!

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    Well, I have reasons to think that WarpX is very happy about his horn...........but in order to appreciate what one has lost , one has to put some distance between himself and the lost happiness

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    Now that I'm a member, I thought I should pay my respects here.

    I have a 385xxx Super 20 with silver neck (not silversonic) that I got on Ebay about a year ago for $2500. The previous owner said his Mark VI played better but somehow it did not occur to him to hire a repair man to fix about 5 pads that were leaking. Luckily that's exactly what I did, and I also had the action adjusted. The lacquer is immaculate everywhere except on the back of the body (a section about 5 inches long that touches the ground if you lay the horn on its palm keys). It's a sight to behold, but more importantly, it plays unbelievably. None of the Mark 6's I have tried played any better. Some of them responded equally well, but the tone wasn't the same and usually they weren't as loud.

    I used to play an RPC 125 on it and before that I played an RPC 115B. I also have a killer vintage duckbill Berg (made of bronze) that sounds great on my SML but for some reason is too bright for the King and sounds thin. But the mouthpiece I play on it now (and probably will for the rest of my life) is a Tenney Link STM 8 NY. I've never owned a Link before, but now I understand why so many legendary players played them.
    "Learn to parrot the legends, then find your own sound."
    Favorite sax players: Joshua Redman, Dex, Trane, Wayne, Sonny (both), Hank Mobley, Bob Malach, Michael Brecker, others

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    That was a good deal you got, considering the silver neck and the serial number. Do you have pics you can post?
    Tenor: King Silversonic Super 20
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    Not yet, I may take some eventually. It has the sunbursts on the B and Bb pads, but I'm assuming that's normal for the serial number? Engraving says King Super 20, The H.N. White Co., Cleveland, Ohio. And it's surrounded by a bunch of flowers and leaves.

    I was really lucky though, my repair man says it's one of the tightest (rods etc.) and most mechanically sound Super 20's he's ever seen and he works on a lot of them. It's weird, I can tap the neck in certain spots and the whole horn resonates. And the body vibrates when I play. I'm guessing that's normal though since other people in this thread have reported the same thing happening with their S20's.
    "Learn to parrot the legends, then find your own sound."
    Favorite sax players: Joshua Redman, Dex, Trane, Wayne, Sonny (both), Hank Mobley, Bob Malach, Michael Brecker, others

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    Quote Originally Posted by ParrotTheLegends View Post
    It's weird, I can tap the neck in certain spots and the whole horn resonates.
    Yep, mine had that too.
    One of the best things about the Super 20, aside from the sound, is how well they stay in adjustment. One good setup will give you a LOT of mileage.

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    Ok fan club, I have a alto super 20 ventage 67, silver neck, I play it each sunday for church but am looking for a 2nd, equal quality used horn. Any ideas since the Kings have some quirks in the octive key weak spring, and soft key springs. For a 2nd horn about equal quality what would all of you recommend. Still play a Meyer 5, with the Legeier plastic reeds, great no warp week to week. Nuff said, give me some ideas on a 2nd sax, FlaSax

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    Quote Originally Posted by warp x View Post
    One of the best things about the Super 20, aside from the sound, is how well they stay in adjustment. One good setup will give you a LOT of mileage.
    Nice, I'm hoping mine stays in adjustment for a year or so because I'll be in Germany next year and I don't think S20's are very common over there.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlaSax View Post
    Ok fan club, I have a alto super 20 ventage 67, silver neck, I play it each sunday for church but am looking for a 2nd, equal quality used horn. Any ideas since the Kings have some quirks in the octive key weak spring, and soft key springs. For a 2nd horn about equal quality what would all of you recommend. Still play a Meyer 5, with the Legeier plastic reeds, great no warp week to week. Nuff said, give me some ideas on a 2nd sax, FlaSax
    Weak or worn out springs are something that should be fixed by your local sax tech and have nothing to do with the quality of your horn. The action on S20's is highly adjustable and springs can be replaced. If you haven't gotten your weak springs fixed, there may be other things wrong with your horn that a good repairman would fix for you.

    As far as other excellent horns for similar prices, I would check out vintage Martins and SML's (Strasser Marigaux Lemaire if I spelled that correctly). Conn 6M's are good as well but I would check out the other horns first. If you can find a King Zephyr made in the same vintage as early S20's, that would be an excellent horn as well but expect to pay almost as much as you would for an early Super 20. The Selmer Cigar Cutter is a great horn that tends to be underpriced (at least in comparison to other vintage Selmers). I played a Cigar Cutter alto once that played unbelievably and sold for only $1500 or so when the economy was good two years ago. It didn't have much lacquer left though.
    "Learn to parrot the legends, then find your own sound."
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaSax View Post
    Any ideas since the Kings have some quirks in the octive key...
    Keep the mechanism properly oiled, and make sure the body octave pip is clean and the pad for it doesn't stick. Lots of folks complain about hitting a clean middle D on these horns, and I suspect from my own experience with these horns it's because the mechanics just need a bit of attention.

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    I use a selmer E silver mouthpiece. It has a great clear sound over the Sax. What would you use to give a wooded vintage sound ?

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    Default Almost in the club - next week!!

    So close - waiting for my silversonic tenor (gold leaf on bell) 375xxx to arrive from of all places Sydney. Trying to back to my roots - had a silversonic 400xxx 30 years ago - moved away from it eventually but am so pumped to be coming back!![Impnt]
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    Welcome back to playing sax and welcome to the Super 20 fan club! Yours looks stunning! I am trying to get a silversonic tenor or alto.
    Tenor: King Silversonic Super 20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yellowhorn View Post
    Welcome back to playing sax and welcome to the Super 20 fan club! Yours looks stunning! I am trying to get a silversonic tenor or alto.
    Greetings from Los Angeles... Any reason you're selling your super 20, other than to get the silver bell? Are you looking for a cleveland specifically? There's someone selling a silver tenor in my area for $4500 if you didn't already spot it...

    http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...333720686.html

    As much as I believe it has a different (and possibly more attractive) sound characteristic, I feel like it would be tough luck to find a really nice one, especially without hearing it first, and for a reasonable price. I don't think I coulda gotten a better deal for my eastlake horn. I guess a man's gotta do...
    '67 King Super 20 Tenor 427xxx ~ '38 Conn 26M VIII alto 284xxx NY neck ~ '19 Buescher C soprano
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaSax View Post
    Any ideas since the Kings have some quirks in the octive key weak spring, and soft key springs.
    Other than a broken palm F post, resoldered neck key mount, and cosmetic signs of previous abuse my horn seems pretty resilient, it's got blue steel springs. Really heavy nickel hardware, much thicker than anything I've seen... Though it could use bumpers on the bell keys, a litle rattle isn't too bad.

    Thought I'd point out my tech (micah @ horn improvement) recommended a brace for the F# key. Considering my horn had been mistreated by her last owner (sob) I'm glad I invested in this since I'm told that key is particularly weak on super 20s. Anyone else been told or experienced this?



    Despite the lack of vintage-ness I think it's important to have a horn play its absolute best no matter what it looks like. just my personal opinion. With his encouragement I went all out, black roos and brass resotechs, synthetic everything for stability. he also put a cork pad in the body octave key, which was new to me. no regrets! sounds incredible, not too bright or shrill or whatever for the resos/pads, I get FAR more tonal effect changing between my hr link and hr vintage morgan (slight baffle), or different make of reeds for that matter. I can get the hawk and johnny hodges vintage sound no problem: large chamber with scooped sidewalls.

    i shouldn't talk too much since we are all prone to vanity. even though my relac looks really purty I wish the engraving wasn't so dull. sherry huntley at artistic engraving offered an awesome deal for a recut, but I'm loath to ship my baby unnecessarily, even in a hiscox... maybe before the next overhaul, haha.
    '67 King Super 20 Tenor 427xxx ~ '38 Conn 26M VIII alto 284xxx NY neck ~ '19 Buescher C soprano
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    I never noticed anything with the F# key other that it is placed nicely (I hardly ever use it and in my Getzen Buescher stencil I had to bend it out of the way because I was always pressing it while playing other things like a Low C). I would like to find some tech in Holland who would favour the high tech approach on all materials used on a horn like this because there are definitely improvements available now on the market compared to when the horn was made. Since I am not a conservationist........ who wants to keep the horn original at all cost if its performance and comfort can be improved? I won't ever part with my 460xxx Eastlake Super 20 tenor (I have another one 466XXX which I only bought to acquire an original case.....perhaps I am a conservationist after all (!) and an overslung alto too but I am not so sure about those........) so re-sale value is not an issue. Modifying a horn that has to be re-sold is not a good idea, I think. If I would ever decide for a re-lacquer (not afraid of that too). I would certainly have my horn re-engraved with the addition of a custom engraving. Perhaps a two tone engraving too. But none of that is available in Holland so it is all dreams!

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    Quote Originally Posted by milandro View Post
    Well, I have reasons to think that WarpX is very happy about his horn...........but in order to appreciate what one has lost , one has to put some distance between himself and the lost happiness
    This made me think that saxophones and women after all may have something in common...but that thought is warped because...

    Quote Originally Posted by warp x View Post
    Yep, mine had that too.
    One of the best things about the Super 20, aside from the sound, is how well they stay in adjustment. One good setup will give you a LOT of mileage.
    ...this clearly demonstrates they don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by swansong View Post
    I don't think I coulda gotten a better deal for my eastlake horn. I guess a man's gotta do...
    Eastlakes rock! (At least the earlier ones do). What more do you want, pearls???

    Quote Originally Posted by swansong View Post
    Thought I'd point out my tech (micah @ horn improvement) recommended a brace for the F# key. Considering my horn had been mistreated by her last owner (sob) I'm glad I invested in this since I'm told that key is particularly weak on super 20s. Anyone else been told or experienced this?
    No, don't quite understand. Never heard of this before. Could you please elaborate and take a pic from the side that shows how the rod was modified.

    Quote Originally Posted by milandro View Post
    I won't ever part with my 460xxx Eastlake Super 20 tenor (I have another one 466XXX which I only bought to acquire an original case...
    Brown with green interior? Had I known you were so old-fashioned , I would have given you the case to mine. I sold it for very little in spite of that the condition was as minty as old cases get (and built surprisingly well). My wife has bad allergies so out it went. Anyway, a Hiscox is safer for storage and transport.

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    Yep, maroon with green interior (the earlier ones with the red or green fake crocodile are much nicer but they do not belong to my Super 20 vintage).

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    Hi all,

    I have a '63 (I think, I'm not near it to double check!), Silver Sonic tenor that toured internationally with its former owner. It's currently in need of some new pads and an adjustment, but it's absolutely one of my favorites among the tenors I have. Some day I would like to add a Super 20 alto to join the tenor I already have!

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    Hi, just joined the forum. I play a 385XXX King Super 20 and it's the best damn horn I have ever played, and I've played quite a few of them. It's got a lot of power and blows very freely. It was set up by Paul Maslin, the top sax technician here in Chicago, so the action on it is outstanding. I might buy a second tenor at some point, but I'll never sell this one.

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    Oh the humanity! The humanity!!!

    From eBay. Guy says he's no expert.

    You think???

    He also says that "due to the age and rarity of this horn...."
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