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    "How the Beatles Destroyed Rock and Roll", An Alternative History of American Popular Music by Elijah Wild (see correction below).

    I'm just about a quarter of the way through this book, so this may be premature, but so far I'm impressed. The author, a musician and writer about music, traces American popular music, including jazz, during the 20th Century, giving his interpretation of how each style originated and segued into the next genre.

    Seems to be well worth a read.

    Make that Elijah Wald. Either I can't type or I can't read, take your pick.
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    Of course his follow-up book should be "How MTV Destroyed Popular Music"
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    Or "How Over-Provocative Titles sell Books".

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    I actually like (and agree) with the title, superficial and tongue in cheek though it may be.

    Apologies to any "Fab Four" fans out there, but I'm much more of a Stones fan as far as the British Invasion is concerned. My taste in Rock leans far more toward Blues and R&B influences than pop.

    When is someone going to write a book detailing how Rap destroyed music in general? There were some gems early on in this genre, but my God, how long is this now hackneyed (C)Rap going to last? You know it is beyond banal when even McDonald's commercials have rap jingles.

    Move on to something else already.
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    I'll have to pick up a copy, and cheers for posting this.
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    As you know, that as long as the older generation hates rap... rap will continue to thrive. When the rap generation becomes the old generation then the new new generation will create a music style to displace rap.

    For what it is worth, my family was on vacation and when my IPOD randomly selected a particular rolling stones song... my 18 year old daughter shouts "turn it up thats the best song ever!"

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    "All these years I've been wandering around
    Wondering how come nobody told me
    All that I was looking for was somebody who looked like you"

    Yes, they absolutely KILLED rock and roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAXISMYAXE View Post
    I actually like (and agree) with the title, superficial and tongue in cheek though it may be.

    Apologies to any "Fab Four" fans out there, but I'm much more of a Stones fan as far as the British Invasion is concerned. My taste in Rock leans far more toward Blues and R&B influences than pop.

    When is someone going to write a book detailing how Rap destroyed music in general? There were some gems early on in this genre, but my God, how long is this now hackneyed (C)Rap going to last? You know it is beyond banal when even McDonald's commercials have rap jingles.

    Move on to something else already.
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    I'll have to pick up a copy, and cheers for posting this.
    Of all the popular music today hiphop is the one type of music that has been influenced the most by jazz and funk. Ron Carter, Donald Byrd, Branford Marsalis all recorded with hiphop artist. Even Sonny Rollins said that he wanted to record with hiphop artists but his wife wouldn't let him :'D

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    I hope the next big thing destroys rap as successfully as the music of
    The Beatles vanquished horns and rock n' roll, in the popular conscious, for a time.

    ... and the beat goes on
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    Quote Originally Posted by piwikiwi View Post
    Of all the popular music today hiphop is the one type of music that has been influenced the most by jazz and funk. Ron Carter, Donald Byrd, Branford Marsalis all recorded with hiphop artist. Even Sonny Rollins said that he wanted to record with hiphop artists but his wife wouldn't let him :'D
    That's all fine and dandy, I'm still sick to death of it. If you constantly bombard people with anything at every turn, it will rapidly lose any Je ne sais quoi it might have once had, as in the case of rap. Unlike it's supposed lineage of influences, it has become a one trick pony sort of music.

    It seems to have held on for years like a bad case of athlete's foot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SAXISMYAXE View Post
    That's all fine and dandy, I'm still sick to death of it. If you constantly bombard people with anything at every turn, it will rapidly lose any Je ne sais quoi it might have once had, as in the case of rap.

    It seems to have held on for years like a bad case of athlete's foot.
    I agree that there is waaaaaay too much bad hiphop out there but there are still a lot of really great artists

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwikiwi View Post
    I agree that there is waaaaaay too much bad hiphop out there but there are still a lot of really great artists
    I will concede that here are a handful of standout artists and songs, but they are absolutely minuscule compared to the sea of mediocrity that is being pumped out for the suburban kiddies.
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    Pop music is pop music whether it is John Philip Sousa or a modern Rap singer. Nothing got ruined. There's always been both good and bad.

    I believe the only real issue with pop music is that it doesn't stay the same long enough for it to become an academic subject the way jazz has. And that may in fact be its greatest strength. I think it will always be impossible to claim you are a "pop music purist".
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    The Beatles destroyed rock and roll with beautifully written songs. I don't have a problem with that.

    Of course, I think that the Rolling Stones destroyed rock and roll by continuing to play it into their dotage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yofis View Post
    Of course his follow-up book should be "How MTV Destroyed Popular Music"


    Or how MTV destroyed itself. Didn't they use to play music?


    What I really dislike is the current overproduced stuff with non-talent acts like Jessica Simpson or her even less talented sis; Brit-Brit; Jonas Bros, or any "boy band". Sure, stuff has been overproduced and overhyped for a long while, but the current crop seems worse than ever to me.

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    Default Re: "How the Beatles Destroyed Rock and Roll"

    Regarding the above suggested titles, mine would be germaine to them all.
    "How the recording and intertainment industry corporate structure overwhelmed other musics when they decided to concentrate 100% of their resources to 60% of the music - and let the rest die on the vine".

    With an appendix, "People hear with their eyes".
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    Quote Originally Posted by hakukani View Post
    Of course, I think that the Rolling Stones destroyed rock and roll by continuing to play it into their dotage.
    Point taken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enviroguy View Post
    I think it will always be impossible to claim you are a "pop music purist".
    Thanks...now I have to come up with a totally new phrase for myself.
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    Default Re: "How the Beatles Destroyed Rock and Roll"

    If people hadn't bought the Beatles' records, would they still have been responsible for destroying Rock and Roll?

    I don't think so.

    So it's not exactly their fault.

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    Default Re: "How the Beatles Destroyed Rock and Roll"

    If anything, the Beatles brought new life to a genre that had become quite stale.

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    We studied 'Carry That Weight' in 18th century counterpoint when I was at university.
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