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Pojoty
07-16-2008, 11:52 PM
So I recently bought a Custom Z Tenor, and found that my favorite reeds (Java #3.5) do not sound so good! They are stuffy, airy, and hard(er) to play. Previously I was on an Olds Ambassador with a Meyer 6M and a Runyon Smooth Bore #4 (don't ask me why it's so low I was in High School when I bought it and really dug it at the time... in fact I still do to an extent.) I've never been a technical player, and my teacher told me to try the school sax. The past four months I've used a Yamaha YTS-52 and still dug the reeds/mouth piece.

I complained earlier about a cork on the neck that doesn't seal well with my Meyer and Runyon (can't take it to the shop unless I decide to full out keep it.) However if I use paper it makes a decent seal with the Runyon and Meyer... for now.

It came with a Hemke #3 and this reed sounds a lot better, but almost too "hooty" for lack of a better word.

As you would expect I'm headed to the store to get a handful of reeds to try.

Hemke #3, Hemke #3.5, Java #3, Rico Royal #3, RR #3.5.... (RR because Rico makes Hemke anyway.)

Any other suggestions? Should I try sanding down a few of my Java 3.5's? I almost doubt it was the reed strength... it was so different.

Do you think a full, proper cork seal will do the trick?

I was also reading about tip opening and reed strength. Thicker reeds need a larger tip opening. I believe both mouthpieces are between a .76 and .80. Should I consider a larger mouth piece? This is somewhat sketchy since it worked before, though.

What's the difference between Hemke and Rico or Rico Royal anyway? The Rico website really only offers descriptions such as "dark... blah blah." Different reeds used? French file? Different thicknesses?

Thanks, there is a lot here.

I'm off to the store in an hour, but with good advice I can always return tomorrow. I simply found it fishy that my 3.5's (multiple ones) sounded so stuffy...

SuperAction80
07-16-2008, 11:58 PM
Over the reed, I would think that the horn needs set up. BTW, don't believe the BS you read on the reed websites. THEY ARE ALL TOO INCONSISTENT TO CLAIM THAT YOU WILL GET A CERTAIN TONE BY PLAYING THEM!

FWIW, I think that Jeff Coffin uses Java 3.5's for his Custom Z tenor.

Carl H.
07-17-2008, 12:00 AM
What mouthpiece are you playing on this horn?

Pojoty
07-17-2008, 12:18 AM
Previously I was on an Olds Ambassador with a Meyer 6M and a Runyon Smooth Bore #4

Still only own those... and a REALLY old Goldentone 4... I never use it, though.

I should also mention that I've been playing with the stock mouthpiece... a Yamaha CM4... but it sounds very plastic... akin to a recorder. It's cool and I get magnificent range on it (I can whisper a low Bb) as well as play well in tune... but the tone leaves something to be desired.

EDIT:

Yeah I really dig Jeff Coffin. He also has a Barone neck, right? He also has the UL Custom Z but I'm not so concerned with the horn material and its sound as I am with the piece, reed, and neck material (and shape) and the sound. I'm not sure what mouthpiece he uses... I suppose I can dig that up on his website (checking now.)

He has a Freddie Gregory Hard Rubber M piece.

Actually Coffin uses ZZ #3.5 on his tenor and Java 3.5 on his alto (tenor reeds.) No Barone neck. He's on Barone's website as a master but his equipment has no such listing... hm.

hakukani
07-17-2008, 12:20 AM
I should also mention that I've been playing with the stock mouthpiece... a Yamaha CM4... but it sounds very plastic... akin to a recorder. It's cool and I get magnificent range on it (I can whisper a low Bb) as well as play well in tune... but the tone leaves something to be desired.

Go back to the MeYer.

Pojoty
07-17-2008, 12:27 AM
Yeah I really like the Meyer and Runyon a whole lot more. I have an extra neck coming in so if it seals properly I can try the other two (and if not I can modify it and keep it to try on other tenors... it's a Barone :D) so I'll tell you if the seal makes any difference with my reeds.

I can't find what the tip opening on a Freddie Gregory HR M piece is. Anybody know? I'm just curious about openings and reed strengths. How much experience do you guys have with that? Have any good articles? I think I remember seeing one on the Runyon site. But I'd rather consult multiple articles than just one. It's kind of fun experimenting.

SuperAction80
07-17-2008, 01:25 AM
Actually Coffin uses ZZ #3.5 on his tenor and Java 3.5 on his alto (tenor reeds.) No Barone neck. He's on Barone's website as a master but his equipment has no such listing... hm.

Yep, you're right, he does play the ZZ's on tenor. Everytime I've seen Jeff, he has been using the goldplated Yamaha G series necks. If he wasn't using them, he was on his old Mark VI's. I'm not sure how the Barone necks fit into the equation either.

BTW, did you try one of your stuffy reeds on another horn? You may just have a few bad reeds.

Pojoty
07-17-2008, 05:24 PM
So I went to an incredibly overpriced store (the only one in ABQ that sells more than Rico and Vandoren blue box) and bought two reeds to try. I bought a Hemke 3.5 to see how I like that reed in a stronger form, and then I bought a ZZ 3 because they were out of Java (was going to try a Java 3 instead of 3.5.)

The Hemke 3.5 sounded, yet again, stuffier than the Hemke 3, and the ZZ sounded VERY bright and funky! I really liked it. I find it odd that when I jump from 3 to 3.5 the sax sounds kind of stuffy. My cork still isn't completely fitting for my Runyon mpiece (which I prefer) and the sax has not been adjusted, it's only a week old. Should I take it to get adjusted? Or is this still a reed problem?

I tried a few of the Javas on my old tenor. They didn't sound as bright as the Hemke 3. Maybe I've always been just used to it and am only now noticing I prefer Hemke? But the change was still quite drastic from Custom Z to Olds Ambassador. Maybe I'll get some reed rush and try thinning out a few of my 3.5's.

Does this sound like anything anybody has ever come across?

themacintrasher
07-17-2008, 05:40 PM
I tested a Custom Z and got good results with a my link 8* and alexander superial 2.5s.

bluesaxgirl
07-17-2008, 06:31 PM
Maybe it's the sax. Or you have a bad reed. I say keep on using them.
I always run across a couple stuffy reeds.

Pojoty
07-21-2008, 05:40 PM
Well I own about twenty or so Javas... so I'll keep meticulously going through them. *sigh*

bluesaxgirl
07-21-2008, 05:49 PM
^ BTW, not trying to do a hijack: but I simply adore Johnny Bravo. :D