Theo Wanne Parvati Pass-around Reviews

[Nefertiti]

I saw that there was a new thread started for the Kali reviews so I guess I am supposed to start one for the Parvati reviews that come in.
I really enjoyed the Parvati mouthpieces. The first thing you I noticed when I opened the package is the attention to detail that Theo has given these. I'm mean these aren't just wrapped in bubble wrap like when I received other pieces. there are two really nice leather Wanne Enterprises carrying cases. One was for the 2 mouthpiece(wood and brass) and one was for the Wanne FL ligature.

The ligature case is no joke. In side is a nice FL lig with the Wanne logo on it, a screw driver for changing plates, A container with 5-6 individual compartments for each play made of different alloys and finishes and a description of each plate and what they do to the sound. To be honest....I didn't mess with these plates at all on the FL. I am pressed for time right now and didn't have enough of it to spend time changing plates and experimenting with them. I just used the plate that it came with.

the 2 mouthpiece come in the other leather carrying case. I tried the wood one first. It played easily with a new Java 2 1/2 reed but felt a little soft. i switched to a 3 that seemed a bit hard. i had to open 2 more 2 1/2's and 2 more 3's before I found one that played right in the middle and felt good for me. That's the one I used on the recording. You can hear what the piece sounds like on my website (http://www.neffmusic.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=0&Itemid=88888903) . To me it sounded a bit darker and more colorful that many of my othere pieces. I think one of my favorite pieces is my EB HR link. I compared it to that. The EB was way louder and bigger sounding and brighter. the wood Parvati was darker and lush to my ears. When I say dark I don't mean dead or dull. It has a nice vibrant sound to it. I think the larger chamber makes it sound fatter than other pieces. Although, I liked the fat sound I think I still prefer a large chamber like my links. On the Parvati the sound is fat but I think I prefer more of a focused and louder sound when I need it. All that being said......I only played them for a half hour total and am already wishing I had kept them for a few more days.

The metal piece was different than the wood but still great. I can't even explain how it was different. I even had trouble trying to decide which I liked better. I kept switching back and forth and never did come to a decision about them. You can listen to the clips and let me know if you hear a difference from the metal to the wood.

I'm interested to hear what the other players on the list have to say about these. they are much more in my ballpark than the Amma was for me. Great work Theo.

[Rackety Sax]

Geez Nef, whenever I go to listen to your "sound clips" I get so caught up in the music that it's hard to focus on the sound comparisons. Great playing!

[Swampcabbage]

It sounded to me like the metal has a longer sustaining quality to it. Perhaps it was the way you were plaing on it but the wood seems to "decay" a little faster.

[Nefertiti]

It sounded to me like the metal has a longer sustaining quality to it. Perhaps it was the way you were plaing on it but the wood seems to "decay" a little faster.

That could be. I recorded them exactly the same.......

[Nefertiti]

Thanks Chitown.:)

[DavidW]

I liked the sound of the metal just a bit more. They both sounded great though.

[gbleeker]

Heh I concur; I just get caught up listening to your playing and ignore the fact that I'm trying to decide between mouthpieces.

I'd love to have a style like yours!

[fballatore]

Wow Steve. They both sound great!

[cjmdsax]

Yes, they do both sound great.

In the recordings, to me, there is more high overtone presence in the metal. A ringing quality. It has a brighter aura to it. I prefer the wood sound, more centered and less grating, so I'd be able to listen to it longer without ear fatigue. At least that's the way these are to me on the recordings. It would be nice to hear them live.

For reference, I play a stock modern Link STM 9*, so I like some bright but not a whole lot ;)

[Honeyboy]

Steve, I liked the sound you produced on both mouthpieces. Your choice of "tunes" is obviously determined by the feel and mood the mouthpiece is giving you. Both mouthpieces have a great tone (as do all of the mouthpieces you demo)- which points to the player more-so than the mouthpiece. I do really like the tone of these, however, as much as any others you demonstated (own). You stated the volume was lower than one of your own, but I couldn't tell by the recording. Did you raise the volume higher on these to compensate? How much lower in volume are they? Anyways, thanks for posting your results.I can't remember, did you try out the high baffle piece (Kali)? If not, if you recieve it to try out, I'm looking forward to that demo as well. I'm pretty sure I'm on the list for the Kali, but would like to hear other folks demo it as well. I kind of wish I got on the list for these two as well. Meanwhile, my NY Link and Berg will have to do.:)

[Razzy]

Nice sound clips, Steve. I still think your best tone to date was on that short shank Soloist that Brian Powell worked on and that you should get that mouthpiece back and sell all of your links for a small fortune. Just sayin'. ;)

Oh yea, I have to agree on the sustaining qualities. The metal has more ring and decay in the tone. The wood seemed to clip off unusually at the end of phrases, kind of like a question mark?

[fballatore]

Well, now that you've heard from an expert player, here are my initial thoughts as a novice player. I'm going to post a more complete review after I've had more time to contrast and compare the pieces. I received the Parvatis from Steve a couple of days ago, and unfortunately had commitments the past two nights, and was able to play them for the first time tonight. Opening the package, I had the same reaction as Steve. These pieces are a work of art. I was especially intrigued by the wood piece, so I spent most of my time playing that tonight. Very, very smooth. Nice mellow tone. It was easy to play, up and down the horn, and I really liked it. I used an RJS 3M on it, but want to experiment with other reeds to see what that does to the sound. I'll also compare it to the gold plated Parvati and my gold plated AMMA. I didn't play the AMMA side by side tonight, but my sense is that the AMMA is a bit brighter. Theo modified the baffle on my AMMA, so it's not typical; it's darker than the others. In Theo's words, the modification gives it more of a "Turrentine type of vibe".

I'll spend alot more time with them over the next couple of days, and report back. I hesitate to post recordings after Mr. Neff's gems. :shock:

[Ike Webkins]

I should get mine tomorrow....can't wait :bounce:

[DetroitDave]

I concur with all above.. Steve, your tone and playing on both pieces is superb... same as on all your other sound clips. The wooden piece has a richness that's hard to describe. It's true that it doesn't "carry" quite as much the metal one (I think I probably mean the same thing as whoever described the "decay" of the sound being a little quicker), but the fullness of the sound is more than enough of a trade for that.

But the metal piece has a beauty all its own, too. If I had to pick a word to describe the difference I'd say the metal piece has a certain "precision" to it -- maybe a hint of a "ring" to it... in a very positive sense. If I had to guess from hearing just these two clips I'd guess the altissimo pops for you just a tad easier on the metal piece. I suspect if you had both for a longer period of time you would make one sound as effortless as the other.

I don't think I can "vote" for one over the other -- they both have qualities that recommend them; each is gorgeous in its own ways. I think you should have one of each. I hope to deserve one of these myself some day. Maybe in ten years or so.... sigh. Great review and fabulous sounds.. thank you for a terrific review.

[DetroitDave]

I've heard some of your clips -- I'm trying to find where I heard you and I lost track; maybe a different mouthpiece passaround? Anyway, you sound great. I know it must be intimidating to post "next to" a guy like Steve Neff, but you are certainly no slouch and you're quite an inspiration to many of us other late boomer/bloomers. Moreover, someone like Steve can make damn near anything sound great; it should be even more instructive to hear what you do with these pieces as your sound seems at least on the nearly attainable level for the honkers among us (like me). Looking forward to your review and your comparisons to your current AMMA piece and, especially, your impressions of the two Pavartis using a variety of reeds.

[fballatore]

Wow, I had written a very comprehensive review of my thoughts on the Parvati wood and brass mouthpieces with comparisons to my AMMA, and I lost the whole thing with a flick of the command-V key. Oh well, let me try to reconstruct it as best as I can.

I had the same reaction Steve did on opening the package. Theo's attention to detail and the beauty of his workmanship is amazing. His mouthpieces are a work of art. I was particularly impressed with the wood piece - absolutely gorgeous. Due to time constraints, I wasn't able to experiment with the different plates on the ligs; I believe that the plates are compatible with the Wanne branded FL lig and the Liberty lig.

Both the wood and brass Parvati have a darker and warmer sound than my AMMA. They're also a bit more complex. I didn't really notice too much of a difference between the wood and brass Parvatis; I liked them equally well. Both play very well up and down the range of the horn. The AMMA definitely has more power and projection than the Parvatis, but they're not too far behind.

My AMMA is not a typical AMMA. When I bought it, Theo gave me a choice of the standard model and one with a modified lower baffle. Theo recommended, and I chose the latter based on the sound I was looking for. Having said that, the Parvati is closer to what I'm looking for. All three pieces react differently to various reeds. I play tested with Roberto's #3 soft, Vandoren V16 #3 (which are a touch hard for me), and RJS 2M. I felt that the Parvati pieces worked best with the RJS reeds. Even though I've been playing Roberto's on my AMMA, I think I have decided to change to the V16 on it.

I hesitated posting recordings for a few reasons. First, following Steve is a tall order. Second, my recording skills are not very good, and I don't feel that the recordings bring across the true sound. Lastly, I stupidly forgot to save my RJS recordings last night before going to bed, and of course, my machine shut down due to a power outage overnight. The only recordings I have are of the three mouthpieces with the Roberto's reed. Problem there is that the reed was dying as the session went on, so the sound gets progressively worse. Enough excuses? :shock: One more. The sun was in my eyes while I was recording. OK, that's enough. Here are the clips. They're just short clips of the head of In a Sentimental Mood. The last clip is one I recorded tonight of the AMMA with a V16 just for comparison.

Parvati Wood (http://www.necgnet.com/ftp/music/sentimental_parvati_wood.mp3)
Parvati Brass (http://www.necgnet.com/ftp/music/sentimental_parvati_brass.mp3)
AMMA Gold (http://www.necgnet.com/ftp/music/sentimental_amma_rw3s.mp3)
AMMA with V16 reed (http://www.necgnet.com/ftp/music/sentimental_amma_v16_3.mp3)

Sorry this was so long winded.

[whaler]

I couldn't tell the difference between any of the mouthpieces. You should post another clip playing a C*.
At this point, I play mouthpieces more for comfort and how many reeds I can get to work with them than anything else.
Your sound really doesn't change that much from different mouthpieces (at least not $750 worth).

[daigle65]

Will everyone on the list be getting both the wood and the metal mpcs?
I thought we had to specify which one we wanted to try out, I asked for the wood.

[Nefertiti]

The mouthpieces are going out as a pair together.

[daigle65]

The mouthpieces are going out as a pair together.Cool ! I haven't played a metal piece in a while. Since they both share the same design (chamber, baffle...) it will be interesting to hear to what extent material has an influence on sound in my own playing. I did hear a difference in the 2 clips you posted.

[Thomas]

Again, hard to hear a difference between the wood and metal. sounds like it needs a harder reed-I would think the V16 would sound warmer. I ordered a metal Parvati yesterday. I'm interested to hear what I get out of it. I have no recording gear so you'll all have to stop by when I get it to hear.

[Twombles62]

Frank, to be honest I enjoyed the soundclips of you on the AMMA more. Very nice playing.

[CurlyLocks]

I guess I could be disgruntled if I couldn't afford a $750 mouthpiece but I'd REALLY be bummed out if my speakers weren't good enough to hear the difference.

[Honeyboy]

I liked the sound of the metal piece over the wooden one though both were very nice. The metal one had a bit more of an edge which I prefer. They both have very nice, rich tone. I preferred both Parvatis over the thinner sounding Amma.

[ZenBen]

So who else has tried these Parvatis (whether on the pass around or by purchase)?

I'd love to hear some more opinions...

[Nefertiti]

It's been six days since the last review so a new reviewer probably has it by now and hopefully will be posting shortly. I have the Kali sitting my desk and hope to get to it tomorrow. steve

[Swampcabbage]

Well, that would be me.

I didn't have much time to play it outside the e-sax mute. But, I will give my impressions nontheless.

Metal Parvati - Instant recognition for the similarities to my Florida USA Link. In fact, as my Link had been opened by Bob Carpenter (who's work has some similarities to Theo's) and it has also had some minor work by Ted Klum (also some influence on Theo, from what I understand). I like the core sound a lot and it has a nice character. The craftsmanship is simply amazing. It plays very easily from top to bototm. Like my Kali, the facing is very long, however, those who are used to playing Links will not find this to be an issue. Overall, if I didn't already own several exceptional Links, I would consider this mouthpiece.

Wood Parvati. I too enjoyed this piece very much. Very similar to the metal Parvati. A little darker with less "ring" and sustain. Essentially, my suppostion on materials has something to do with overtones and what I would think of as "aftertones". It isn't like it plays dead at all. It's kind of more "human" and organic (makes some sense I guess). Were I to take a "left turn" from my current sound, I would consider this piece as it's character is much further removed from the Kali.

Overall the pieces played extremely well from top to bottom. Overtones came out nicely, palm keys were fat and altissimo seemd endless. I may see a wood one in my future. Who knows.

BTW - I played these exclusively on my '63 Mark VI with Rico Select jazz 4s reeds.

[Spooner]

I just thought that I'd do a quick update on this thread--

Due to an overwhelming demand for the brass Parvati, Theo needed to call the brass piece that was being used in the pass-around home.

On the Stable-Wood Parvati, Theo discovered a really subtle modification that makes a profound difference in how the wood piece plays. He has replaced the wood Parvati that was being used in the pass-around with a modified piece, so the pass-around will resume presently.

There will be another pass-around for the brass piece with the next run (which will be very soon!) so keep your peepers peeled for that in the near future.

Cheers,
Spooner

[Ike Webkins]

....
There will be another pass-around for the brass piece with the next run (which will be very soon!) so keep your peepers peeled for that in the near future.

Cheers,
Spooner

with a modified baffle in order to be "darker"..... ? 8-)

[Thomas]

with a modified baffle in order to be "darker"..... ? 8-)

Let's hope so.

i received my metal Parvati yesterday and I'm shocked at how bright this piece is, much brighter than my Tenney Links. I've got about 4 hours on the piece with Rigotti 3H, V16 3.5, Java 3.5, and Superial 3.5 and the Liberty lig tried in all the bottom 3 positions on my Ref 36 and my 111xxx VI(actually sounds darker on the VI). My opinion at this point is I bought an expensive, bright Link but I'm going to reserve final judgement until I really put some more time into learning my way around the piece. The fact that at least one has a few days trial period gives me the room and time for the luxury to spend the time to make a more informed assessment. I think it was Swampcabbage that said it reminded him of a Florida Link-I agree-at this point.
As a point of reference I've played metal Links almost exclusively since 1959 so I'm fairly familiar and comfortable with them.

[Swampcabbage]

I received the new wood version yesterday. I notice a difference but have been unable to go without my mute as my daughter was over last night.

I'll keep you all posted.

[Swampcabbage]

Let's hope so.

i received my metal Parvati yesterday and I'm shocked at how bright this piece is, much brighter than my Tenney Links. I've got about 4 hours on the piece with Rigotti 3H, V16 3.5, Java 3.5, and Superial 3.5 and the Liberty lig tried in all the bottom 3 positions on my Ref 36 and my 111xxx VI(actually sounds darker on the VI). My opinion at this point is I bought an expensive, bright Link but I'm going to reserve final judgement until I really put some more time into learning my way around the piece. The fact that at least one has a few days trial period gives me the room and time for the luxury to spend the time to make a more informed assessment. I think it was Swampcabbage that said it reminded him of a Florida Link-I agree-at this point.
As a point of reference I've played metal Links almost exclusively since 1959 so I'm fairly familiar and comfortable with them.


Did you also try one of the Focustones? I wonder how these stack up to each other?

[Thomas]

Did you also try one of the Focustones? I wonder how these stack up to each other?

No I didn't. I was not actually looking for a new piece, I really am satisfied with my Tenney STMs and have been for quite a while. I guess I got caught up in the hype and was hoping for ,not something to replace my Links but-truthfully I don't know what I was expecting. something larger with a different presence. I've always been the guy who they say about"the fool and his money are soon parted". I'll give it some more time over the next few days and may offer it up for sale at a reduced price here-or send it back-or leave it out as a reminder for the next time!

I'm not saying it isn't a good piece-it is-just not what I was expecting. I think the majority of players would be very pleased with it.

[Thomas]

I've decided to return the Parvati. Just isn't for me. My Tenney STMs do what I want to hear easily and the two of them didn't cost as much. I'm not knocking the piece-just not for me. I suggest that if you're considering one of these to wait for the pass-around piece before committing your time and money.

[Honeyboy]

Good thing you decided in time for a refund.:shock:

[Giganova]

I've been playing the KALI last weekend and was happy to see that the PARVATI arrived in the mail today. As Spooner mentioned before, the metal and wood pieces have been split up and are not shipped together anymore. I received the "stable wood" piece in the double pouch mouthpiece holder (great!), together with two ligatures (the Francois Louis ligature that has the Wanne conversion screw so the Wanne pressure plates fit) and two different pressure plates.

This mouthpiece is an amazing piece of art! Stunning looks. I love the woodgrain with the golden ring around the shaft. In contrast to the metal KALI that I had a few days ago, which was very heavy, the wooden PARVATI is very light.

It has a large chamber like the other Wanne mpcs, but a lower baffle than the AMMA or KALI. As expected, it is lush, warm & dark sounding. When you subtone you sound like Darth Vader's breath! http://www.derelictstudios.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/vader.gif

The sound is beautiful -- top to bottom -- and very reminiscent of vintage Links. Good projection, perfect intonation. Direct comparison with my Florida Link showed that it is a touch darker than the Link. Now, I have been striving over the past few years to achieve a very dark sound (and have tested a lot of Links until I found one that gave me a dark sound), but honestly, the PARVATI is the darkest piece I have ever played (in contrast to what Thomas has said above). I don't think it is the design alone, it might be a combination of design and material as the wood has no 'ring' to it. I had a bit of a trouble sustaining the tone; not sure what it caused it, I guess I need to get used to it more. It seems as if the wood resonate a bit less. Even though this might sound a bit negative, it is an outstanding mouthpiece! If you are looking for a dark & warm sounding piece, the PARVATI is the ticket to lifelong happiness (without wife, though, see below).

As to the pressure plates: I didn't notice any difference between the two different pressure plates that were included (maybe they are the same?). I even changed the thinner and less curved Wanne pressure plates for my stock FL pressure plate (which is much thicker and more curved so it only holds the reed at the edge) and didn't notice any difference. Maybe it's just me, but I think pressure plates are overrated.

I've been playing and recoding my own version of "My Funny Valentine" (Webster-style) and I think that I have never sounded better. Parvati + ballad = perfect match.

Now, if it would cost less (around $500-ish), I would get it. But at a price tag of more than $800 incl. lig, it's quite a sticker shock, to be honest. At that price, I think Theo should include a voucher for free consultation at a divorce attorney!

Here are some picture that I made so you can droll: :mrgreen:

http://www.mouthpiecemuseum.com/MouthpieceMuseum/TheoWanne_files/7_1.jpg
http://www.mouthpiecemuseum.com/MouthpieceMuseum/TheoWanne_files/6_1.jpg
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http://www.mouthpiecemuseum.com/MouthpieceMuseum/TheoWanne_files/2_2.jpg
http://www.mouthpiecemuseum.com/MouthpieceMuseum/TheoWanne_files/1_2.jpg

[ratracer]

Giganova, those are great pics. Thanks.

That is a beautiful piece of work indeed.

[johnnyc]

Can I ask how, for you, this 'piece compares with your Barone Jazz or other mouthpieces of the same ilk?

[Thomas]

It has a large chamber like the other Wanne mpcs, but a lower baffle than the AMMA or KALI. As expected, it is lush, warm & dark sounding. When you subtone you sound like Darth Vader's breath! http://www.derelictstudios.net/forums/style_emoticons/default/vader.gif

The sound is beautiful -- top to bottom -- and very reminiscent of vintage Links. Good projection, perfect intonation. Direct comparison with my Florida Link showed that it is a touch darker than the Link. Now, I have been striving over the past few years to achieve a very dark sound (and have tested a lot of Links until I found one that gave me a dark sound), but honestly, the PARVATI is the darkest piece I have ever played (in contrast to what Thomas has said above). I don't think it is the design alone, it might be a combination of design and material as the wood has no 'ring' to it. I had a bit of a trouble sustaining the tone; not sure what it caused it, I guess I need to get used to it more. It seems as if the wood resonate a bit less. Even though this might sound a bit negative, it is an outstanding mouthpiece! If you are looking for a dark & warm sounding piece, the PARVATI is the ticket to lifelong happiness (without wife, though, see below).



I've been playing and recoding my own version of "My Funny Valentine" (Webster-style) and I think that I have never sounded better. Parvati + ballad = perfect match.


I bought the Parvati metal and returned it(still awaiting my refund) and I disagree. I found the metal Parvati terribly bright and if you're "looking for a dark & warm sounding piece" at least the metal piece is not it. I doubt the material makes much difference if any. The one I tried,with 4 different brand and strength of reed with the lig in all the various positions was almost as bright as a Guardala Crescent I had years ago. At best it sounded like a Florida Link, not a dark and warm piece in my opinion. My Tenney STMs are far darker, warmer, fatter and responsive.
I don't think the Parvati is not a good mouthpiece. Theo does beautiful work but when one tries this piece they'll be disappointed if expecting "Webster style" The tone generally is trended much more towards the generic contemporary norm -bright and thin and inflexible. Of course this piece may be a good step up for developing players.

[whaler]

It seems that you would know that his mouthpieces would be bright. Look at what he does (did) with his custom Links, stick an epoxy baffle inside (duh!).

[Giganova]

But that's the point: The Parvati has a large chamber and a very low baffle, which makes it dark sounding by design. Maybe Thomas had a different mpc with a higher baffle.

[Thomas]

But that's the point: The Parvati has a large chamber and a very low baffle, which makes it dark sounding by design. Maybe Thomas had a different mpc with a higher baffle.

No-I had a Parvati-I'd publish the number but don't want to prejudice the piece for anyone else who may receive it.
ps-got my refund today. So with shipping to me and insured return shipping the cost was about $30.00 to try this piece. I'm glad I got to try it, but in my case I'm glad there is a solid return policy.


PPS. Since some have asked, All it cost was the shipping costs to try the Parvati. Do not be concerned that you will be charged Paypal fees of any kind. It is Theo's policy to return ALL the $775.00 if you decide the piece isn't for you though I doubt many who try the Parvati will return it. I'm the oddball here.

[Giganova]

What I meant is maybe you had a Parvati with a different (higher) baffle than I did.

[HonkBopSax]

I would have loved to check these out in the pass around!

[Thomas]

What I meant is maybe you had a Parvati with a different (higher) baffle than I did.

Theo did contact me after I'd returned the piece and offered to try some adjustments to suit me. I have no doubt he would have succeeded eventually but it was already set in my mind that it would have had to have been radical changes to get to what I wanted to hear from it and too much of a compromise of his vision/version of the piece originally. The folks at Wanne Inc are fine people to deal with and none of this was a hassle for me. I know that Theo is dedicated to producing the best. I'm sure this piece is more than perfect for many. So if you think you want one definitely give it a try.

[Ike Webkins]

Thomas

I have to disagree, but for me the parvati is not a "bright" piece... sure it has some edge (and sure, a morgan 6C is much "darker" -much too dark for me), but with the solid silver pressure plate it is "near perfect" for me with the following reeds:

Marca jazz
Alexander superial

Vandoren classical
Alexander classique
brancher opera (classical)
(not yet tested : V16, ZZ, java, legere, gonzales,brancher jazz, rico rjs, etc.... but I'm sure i will find more matches)

the tone is very "webster style", but with the rest of my setup (flamingo+ barone copper neck.... perhaps with your horn it's brighter, and with too much edge for your taste..... but for me it's not the piece alone.

My point of view is that this piece is so "adaptative" (versatile), that's very sensitive to it's environment (player, horn, reed, etc....) and can become as well edgy than dark and fat.

[Thomas]

Ike

well I must be the odd man out. It isn't about edge it is about the favor towards the higher partials. It was less bright on my 111xxx VI than on my Reference 36. I tried it using 4 different brand of reeds in different strengths 3,3.5 and 4's. My Tenney STMs are much darker. I'm of the thought that a ligature plate or neck material has not much to do with what I'm going to hear out of any tenor.

[Ike Webkins]

Thomas, so it seems that this piece will not suit to everybody..... but that's not new with mouthpieces...8-)

[StittsIt]

Why doesn't somebody post a clip? I enjoyed the clips on Nef's site, but would like to hear others.

[heath]

Personally whenever someone comes out with a new mouthpiece it's best to hold tight for at least a year. These pieces are often modified over time and perfected.

I listened to Neff's clips, I thought the sound was very smooth. To my ears it sounds like an easy piece to play. Just for the record out of all the metal pieces Neff has posted clips of I dig his Barone NY the most, seems like a piece that would function in any setting....not bright or dark....perhaps the perfect substitute Link.

I had high hopes for the Parvati, not so much because I'd want to plunk down that much cash, but finally someone has come along with some serious quality control to produce consistent metal pieces, you can find gobs of hard rubber, but who's going through all the trouble to bring metal to the table with round chambers.

So over time I wouldn't be surprised if Theo makes some darker versions of metal pieces, they should be killer.

[johnnyc]

Over a month since the last review......is this passaround done?

[Bebopalot]

I was contacted and told that it would be a while before I received it so I hope it is not done. I am looking forward to comparing what others have said to what I think about the piece.

[daigle65]

What's the average cost of shipping/insurance to send it to the next person on the list ?
I imagine there's also some duty when it's cross border.

[Spooner]

The Parvati pass around is indeed still happening. It got a little slowed down, but is back on track and making the rounds. Hang in there!

One of the things that will really help keep the ball rolling is for people to email me or PM me when they receive the piece, and again when they are ready to ship it. That way I can keep track of who's had it for how long and make sure that they have the info that they need to pass it on to the next person.

[tjontheroad]

The Parvati pass around is indeed still happening. It got a little slowed down, but is back on track and making the rounds. Hang in there!

I was the next guy on the list. My review is posted on my website in the ToneCast section. (http://web.mac.com/tjontheroad1/iWeb/tjontheroad1/ToneCast/ToneCast.html) Recording clips require Quicktime.

Even though I've stayed away from posting on this site, I feel obligated to post my review because of the good people who support the music. I want to thank Spooner and the whole Theo Wanne enterprise for making a great experience happen. Two thumbs up to them :thumbrig::thumbrig:

[DanPerezSax]

http://www.zshare.net/audio/1731287780af8f7e/ I got the Parvati a few weeks ago, and haven't reviewed it until now because I took it into the studio, and was waiting for the guy to send me a recording. I finally got the recording back (unmixed...), so here goes. The tune's a blues, played kinda old-school, given the guys I was playing with and the purpose of the session. On listening back, I hear myself go a bit sharp on the top register, which can only be blamed on the unfamiliar mouthpiece because my Martin is kind of scary with its perfect intonation. I later tested the piece against a tuner, and it's fine, I just wasn't used to it because the session was on the day I got the piece.

As far as "bright" and "dark" go, I guess I'm not sure what they mean to everyone. I always thought of, say, Chris Cheek, Josh Redman, Chris Potter, Joe Lovano as "dark," and Brecker, Berg, et al as "bright." Trane, Sonny, Stanley Turrentine, I think of as "warm," kind of a happy medium. For my taste, the Parvati sits me right on the dark side of the warm spectrum.

Subtoned, or played softly, it is a feathery piece that is nonetheless easy to blow. It is NOT what I expected. My only other experience with "dark" mouthpieces is with my C* and Caravan for alto, and the Parvati doesn't even hint at that type of playing for me. Instead of limiting you to a focused, soft tone, it gives you a more spread out low-volume sound, but quickly saddles up for some hard riding when you push it. The sound is fat, spread out and very different from my normal (much brighter) tenor sound.

It is easy to play at any volume, and the tone is consistent throughout the range of the instrument, but, naturally, I find altissimo harder to control than on my Link, and much harder than on the Kali, where it felt like any other note.

[DanPerezSax]

AAAAHHHH!!!!, WTF WTF WTF! They replaced my Parvati blues with a TERRIBLE midi track?!

[Dr G]

I was the next guy on the list. My review is posted on my website in the ToneCast section. (http://web.mac.com/tjontheroad1/iWeb/tjontheroad1/ToneCast/ToneCast.html) Recording clips require Quicktime.

Even though I've stayed away from posting on this site, I feel obligated to post my review because of the good people who support the music. I want to thank Spooner and the whole Theo Wanne enterprise for making a great experience happen. Two thumbs up to them :thumbrig::thumbrig:

Here's the review from TJ's site:

"Theo Wanne Parvati (wood version) review"

"I recently had the opportunity to give the new Theo Wanne Parvati tenor sax mouthpiece (wood version) a try. I must say, I was very impressed with it. It’s plainly a beautiful thing to look at. The wood grain is seen from far away and can’t be missed. It’s easy to see the fine tolerances adhered to when examining it up close. The tip, rails, scooped out side walls, and the large chamber are created without any visible flaws. The packaging is completed with a Francois Louis gold ligature adapted to the Theo Wanne pressure plates and comes in a high quality leather pouch. The attention to details in everything is evident."

"The Parvati responds evenly and quick up and down the saxophone’s range. The tone I found was rich and colorful. While I would not call it a bright sounding tone, it isn’t dark either. It layers harmonics in the middle range without getting brittle up high. I tried using it with both the Francois Louis and a VanDoren Optimum ligatures. My preferred reeds are Roberto Winds #3 soft. I found the mouthpiece very flexible. Fits well in ballads, bossa, and swing tunes. It wouldn’t be my choice for contemporary styles as it’s not “cut through the mix” high baffle design. One subjective observation is there’s something about the wood that reminds me a little of the sound you’d get from a Native American flute or other real wood instruments. It’s a bit different to my ears than hard rubber or metal mouthpieces. I like it."

"So yes, I do find the wood Parvati very interesting. In my pursuit of of my own unique personal sound, I can easily hear the Parvati be a part of my quest. The more I played it and became comfortable with it, the more it gave me. To be sure, these are rather expensive investments at $700.00 without the ligature. At that price, I’m going to have to give it some thought before getting one myself."

[Razzy]

Any word on this pass-around? I signed up for it months ago and haven't heard anything.

[Tryptykon]

Here's the review from TJ's site:





He's just the guy to do it .. :TGNCHK:

[Spooner]

I know that I'm not an administrator or anything, but I would ask that we all please keep this thread about the Parvati mouthpiece itself and not make any personal jabs about the folks involved with it.

thanks:)

[Dr G]

Where's the jab?

Listen to TJ's clips and decide the merits of the Parvati review for yourself.

[StittsIt]

I would like to say that I have been corresponding with Theo via email, and he says he's made some big changes to the Parvati and that it's MUCH better than before, and he mentioned sending Steve Neff one of the UPDATED Parvati's to try for his website. He said he was excited about the changes, something about the baffle being lowered, and the sound being much darker and FULL.

[Nefertiti]

Bring it on! That's what I like to hear!!!:D

[Razzy]

I would like to say that I have been corresponding with Theo via email, and he says he's made some big changes to the Parvati and that it's MUCH better than before, and he mentioned sending Steve Neff one of the UPDATED Parvati's to try for his website. He said he was excited about the changes, something about the baffle being lowered, and the sound being much darker and FULL.

Interesting. Spooner, any chance of working this into the pass-around? Since the "updated model" is the one likely to be gotten if you decide to purchase the pass-around...

[heath]

I would like to say that I have been corresponding with Theo via email, and he says he's made some big changes to the Parvati and that it's MUCH better than before, and he mentioned sending Steve Neff one of the UPDATED Parvati's to try for his website. He said he was excited about the changes, something about the baffle being lowered, and the sound being much darker and FULL.


Like I mentioned before. Wait a year before buying. This piece and pieces like it will be tweaked many times over.

2nd edition anything is almost always better.

Why doesn't Theo make an exact replica of a double ring florida...minus the flaws that were found in the original.

[kyotosessions]

Like I mentioned before. Wait a year before buying. This piece and pieces like it will be tweaked many times over.

2nd edition anything is almost always better.

Why doesn't Theo make an exact replica of a double ring florida...minus the flaws that were found in the original.

Just send Theo an email or give him a call. He loves hearing from musicians that have suggestions about his product. Especially if they have experience with his mouthpieces or refacing work, have a great sound concept, and can really play.

[Ike Webkins]

I would like to say that I have been corresponding with Theo via email, and he says he's made some big changes to the Parvati and that it's MUCH better than before, and he mentioned sending Steve Neff one of the UPDATED Parvati's to try for his website. He said he was excited about the changes, something about the baffle being lowered, and the sound being much darker and FULL.

the first version I got (bought it) is outstanding, but was slightly too bright for my taste, but after pulling back the lig and changing the pressure plate, it became "near perfect" for me. The more I play it, the more the piece play's me 8-)

But Theo proposed to send me a new one with the baffle modified (possibly a cup form near the tip in order to reduce the high frequency "buzz")

[Spooner]

Just an FYI for everyone--

In an effort to provide the absolute best customer service, Theo is offering to rework the Parvati mouthpieces that have already been purchased to include the new tweak. Here's a link to his site:

http://theowanne.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/new-parvati-and-special-customization-offer/

[Spooner]

Interesting. Spooner, any chance of working this into the pass-around? Since the "updated model" is the one likely to be gotten if you decide to purchase the pass-around...

To answer your question Razzy--

The Stable Wood Parvati that is in rotation right now has had the mod done to it.

I know that Theo is interested in sending the modified brass version out in another pass around, but I'm not certain what the ETA is on that. I will see if I can get some more info.

[drakesaxprof]

FYI, I have the current Parvati, and will move it along in the next few days.

Here is my review: The Parvati is an artfully constructed mouthpiece, visually stunning. I tested it with a RJS 3M and 3S Unfiled, in a comparison with my Tenney Jazzmaster 7* and double-ring Florida STM (Brian Powell reface) .104". The low-register sound and response of the Parvati equalled either of these--full, rich, resonant, beautifully EQ'd. Once I got above the staff, however, the sound struck me as much more diffuse and spread than either of the others. In fairness, I only had about 30 minutes to play around and record comparisons, and fully realize that one does not generally get a handle on a new mouthpiece until some length of playing time is spent on it. For me, however, I'll happily continue playing my Jazzmaster. For you, though, who knows? Perhaps with further reed tweaking and, more importantly, time to get to know the mouthpiece, it could have the top-to-bottom evenness of sound that I enjoy from my Jazzmaster.

I appreciate greatly the opportunity to have given it a field test--Theo definitely has something here, and it will be interesting to see if the design evolves over time with player input.

It's off to Ian, next on the list.

[Ike Webkins]

I got two pieces, the first type, and yesterday the modified one.

Both are GREAT pieces, and the problem was to choose which one I would keep... I finally choose to keep the new one, but the differences are nevertheless subtle, so it was not easy.

The new one is sloghtly smoother, but I was also very please with the former one....and ther was no way I keep both 8-)

[leftyfreak]

First, since I haven't earned a reputation on SOTW, positive or otherwise, I'll introduce myself. I've played the saxophone for more than 20 years. I earned a masters degree in classical saxophone performance from NEC, and have over the years performed concertos, in sax quartets, orchestras, etc. My interest in playing jazz seriously has mostly taken shape over the last 4-5 years.

I've recently acquired a late Mark VI tenor, and also have a Mark VII in my possession. I tested the Parvati on both instruments, although there wasn't a significant difference in compatibility between the two set-ups. My primary mouthpiece is a Lamberson J7, and I also have a Morgan 9L which I use occasionally. Reeds used for the playtest of the Parvati were RSJ 3S, Roberto's 3M, and Vandoren Java 3.

Like everyone else who has seen the Parvati in the flesh, I was most impressed by the look and feel of it--I probably don't need to elaborate any further, because I'll just be repeating the earlier reviewers. Besides, the way it plays is what is most interesting!

The thing that struck me most about the performance of the Parvati is how easily it plays, especially in the lower register of the horn. Theo has definitely figured out how to make a responsive mouthpiece! Without yet having made a direct comparison to my other mouthpieces, I enjoyed the sound of the Parvati--full and well-balanced. Again, especially down low. The higher up I went I became less convinced. This impression was worst with the Java reed, and somewhat alleviated by the RSJ for what it's worth.

The litmus test, though, was to compare the Parvati with the Lamberson and the Morgan (accepting of course, that this can't be an entirely fair fight, given that I've played the Lamberson for more than 18 months, and the Morgan for about 6 months.) If given the option, I'd happily trade the Morgan and become a proud owner of the Parvati. When I played the two of them, they sounded pretty darn similar, but the Parvati just feels more comfortable to me. However, when I returned to my Lamberson it became clear to me that the J7 has a 'presence' that I wasn't getting from the Parvati. The Lamberson has a heft, or I suppose a certain kind of 'tonal mass' that I just can't live without. I need to be a little bit more conscientious with my air support on the Lamberson to maintain that sound (especially down low,) so it's a bit more work than the Parvati. And the high end of the Parvati feels and sounds thin next to the Lamberson.

All in all, I'm convinced that the Parvati is a pretty great mouthpiece. To me, it is neither particularly bright nor dark and should allow the player to shape the sound over time. I think its greatest quality is how easily it plays and how responsive it is in the low end. I'm just as convinced, however, that the Lamberson J7 is a better match for me and my tonal concept at this point. If I didn't have the Lamberson, I could be happy with the Parvati, knowing that I'd continue to get more out of it as I became more familiar with it.

Lastly, I want to say thank you to Theo Wanne and Spooner for making this Pass-around trial available to those of us on SOTW. Theo's workmanship is of the highest order, and I wish him all the success with his current (and future!) mouthpiece line.

(The Parvati is heading to Jacobeid next. It'll be going out on Monday.)

[srcsax]

How does one get on this pass around test?

[Spooner]

scrsax--

Just PM me with your shipping info and phone number and I can add you to the pass around list.

:)

[garyjones]

in my opinion and experience with this the newer version has a more slant sig shaped floor.

results are a slightly more colorfull tone with a coresponding slightly more resistence. mouthpieces are such a trade off kind of thing.
if you have a horn that has response problems you might still like the older version better becuse even though it sounds slightly harsher and plainer it is more free bowing. like flute head joints with color always comes resistence.

[garyjones]

Why doesn't Theo make an exact replica of a double ring florida...minus the flaws that were found in the original.

parvati is more like a tonemaster than a super tonemaster.

[jacobeid]

I recently had the stable wood Parvati in my possession. Before I go in depth, I'd like to say that I loved the mouthpiece but I could never spend that kind of dough on one and I'm aiming for a different type of sound.

For testing I used my yanagisawa T991 and RJS 3M or 3H. My normal set up is the yani with a BP long shank soloist opened to a .105 with RJS 3M and a selmer two-screw ligature. I started playing the piece with a 3M reed. I immediately noticed the volume I could get out of it and how easy it was to play in all registers of the horn. At first I thought this was absolutely great, but after listening to some stuff I recorded, it seemed pretty bright to me. Of course I'm used to a soloist and my main sound influences are Bergonzi and Joe Henderson. As much as I loved this piece, I feel like the Soloist gives me the resistance I need to push against to get that type of sound.

I put on a 3H reed and it was much better. Definitely a lot darker, fuller, and it played with more resistance. Some really great sounds there. I played around with the different ligatures and didn't notice any sound differences. I'm in the camp that think if anything, a ligature will help response in the extreme registers (mostly low end). Any nice metal ligature will allow you to articulate clearly down there where as a rovner might make it harder, but that's just my opinion.

The mouthpiece was gorgeous, easy to play, and had great projection. If you have the cash for one, definitely get one. I'm going to stick with my soloist. If I ever get an itch for something new I'd get a bergonzi slant mainly due to price.

Great work Theo!

[traft9uarts]

Theo does incredible work! I've tried the Amma and was very inpressed with it. Would definitely like to try this piece out.

I have a meyer worked on by theo and its a great piece. Every single detail is taken care of in his work.

[daigle65]

It's been a month since the last review.
Who has it now?
Is the pass-around still active?

I had figured that I would be getting it around this time.

[Spooner]

Hello all--

We called the pieces back for an inspection and tune-up (if necessary)---they've been making the rounds for about 5 months now. The pieces will be back out into circulation shortly.