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Stacey
11-05-2003, 07:15 PM
Yesterday my new BBGS tenor arrived! It even looked as if UPS had been CAREFUL with the package, amazing as that may sound.

For background: My other horns are a Selmer SA80 Series III soprano from 1999, a Selmer MK7 alto from 1981, and a Conn New Wonder curved-neck C-melody from 1919.

I bought the Cannonball from Tim Glesmann at Sax Alley, and I have nothing but praise for him. The service I received was great, and the horn was ready-to-play right out of the box, requiring absolutely no adjustment. The only problem I had was with a loose Cannonball logo on the neckstrap - not exactly a big issue.

I am blown away by the construction of this horn. Admittedly, most of my past experiences on tenor have been on old, school-owned Bundys and the like, but this horn is clearly in a different class. The solid construction reminds me of my Series III soprano, but at a MUCH lower price. The only part of the horn that felt inferior to most of the modern $3000-$4000 horns was the use of cheap-looking plastic "mother of pearl" buttons on the keys. One of these days, I may look at replacing those with something more elegant.

I bought the T1-BL version, which has a black nickel plated body, bow, and bell, and gold lacquered keys and key guards. It came with two necks, one in black nickel and one in gold lacquer. There was an incredible amount of engraving, extending all the way onto the necks. A very striking horn, for certain.

This morning a fellow sax player checked out the horn, and immediately made me write down the URL for Cannonball's website, as well as Tim Glesmann's email address. He couldn't believe the look and feel of the horn for the price. He didn't get to play it or hear it, unfortunately, because my aerospace employer probably wouldn't appreciate it the way most of us would...

The only tenor mpc I have right now is the "Cannonball 5*" that came with the horn. Using the CB mouthpiece, the nondescript ligature that came with it, and one of my Hemke 2.5 reeds, I was extremely impressed with the sound of the horn. Details below:

Low range - I've always been someone who navigates the high registers much better than the low end. I was very, very pleasantly surprised to find that I could play all the way down to Bb at a very reasonable volume - no need to blast to make the notes speak. However, when I did put some air behind it, the sound was extremely powerful. Window-rattling powerful.

The midrange of the horn was fine. That's one of those areas where about all I can say is "no news is good news". The C-to-D transition sounded very similar to my MK7 - noticeable, but not a glaringly obvious transition, if that makes any sense.

High range - I'm a little too out of practice, especially on tenor, to give it much of an altissimo workout, so I stuck to the normal range of the horn (to F#). Besides, as an amateur wannabe, if I really want to play that high... well, I get out the soprano!

Anyway, the range up to F# was very solid, easy to play, and hard to mis-play. Also, I must mention that this is the first horn I've played on which the front high F spoke like a "normal" note, rather than feeling like I was fighting something way up in the altissimo range. Front F and palm F felt the same when I played them.

The intonation of the horn seems good, but I'll confess I've done only limited work with the tuner so far (hey, gimme a break - the horn just arrived last night!). I may post a follow-up message after I've checked the intonation thoroughly.

The other thing I'm waiting for is a Morgan mouthpiece. I need to save my pennies for a few weeks, and then I intend to add a Morgan 6L mouthpiece to the mix.

I was really worried, having read some of the reviews, that my Cannonball would turn out to be an uncontrollable "paint peeler". I shouldn't have worried - this horn will work well in any situation in which I'm likely to find myself.

broken_reed
11-05-2003, 08:12 PM
Stacey, Check out CB's 7 hard rubber mouthpiece. Sax Alley probably has one. Either the 7 or the one you have ships with the horn, so I'm sure they can get you one and maybe trade up if you like it. Try it before you get they Morgan. They are pretty cool.

Hornlip
11-05-2003, 08:24 PM
I play-tested a new Big Bell "Mad Meg" tenor a couple of weeks ago along with a mid-60's Mark VI & Conn 10M, comparing them all to a Buescher 400 I was thinking about buying. It was the first time I had ever played a Cannonball, and I was very impressed. Great action, comfortable, solidly built. Definately contended with the Mark VI.

I can see why you feared the "paint peeler" syndrome, though -- the horn spokes immediately, and loudly. I was playing it with a HR Vandoren T75, and when I pushed the horn hard & growled, the resulting sonic mayhem was almost unpleasant. But I could back right off to get a nice, mellow tone -- I got the idea that the horn would be very flexible and responsive to different mouthpiece choices. The nickel finish on yours probably makes a difference, too.

In any case, I thought it was a whole lot of horn for the money, definately worth checking out.

(I ended up buying the 400!!) 8)

Hornlip
11-05-2003, 08:25 PM
I play-tested a new Big Bell "Mad Meg" tenor a couple of weeks ago along with a mid-60's Mark VI & Conn 10M, comparing them all to a Buescher 400 I was thinking about buying. It was the first time I had ever played a Cannonball, and I was very impressed. Great action, comfortable, solidly built. Definately contended with the Mark VI.

I can see why you feared the "paint peeler" syndrome, though -- the horn spoke immediately, and loudly. I was playing it with a HR Vandoren T75, and when I pushed the horn hard & growled, the resulting sonic mayhem was almost unpleasant. But I could back right off to get a nice, mellow tone -- I got the idea that the horn would be very flexible and responsive to different mouthpiece choices. The nickel finish on yours probably makes a difference, too.

In any case, I thought it was a whole lot of horn for the money, definately worth checking out.

(I ended up buying the 400!!) 8)

Dr G
11-05-2003, 10:01 PM
I heard you twice the first time! 8)

KJ
11-06-2003, 04:51 AM
Hey Stacey,
Was this horn new or used?

Stacey
11-06-2003, 03:12 PM
It's new.

silverghost
11-06-2003, 03:13 PM
The only problem I had was with a loose Cannonball logo on the neckstrap - not exactly a big issue.


Funny, that happened to me too. . . . Like i care. I was also leery of getting a Cannonball after reading the stuff that I've read here. But I went and tried one at a local music store and I was just amazed at how well it sounded. Mind you I played this sax next to a Yamaha 82z and 62II, Selmer Series II and III, and a Yanigasawa A990 (i think). I came back the next day and bought it. It is absolutely fantastic. It's an Alto Big Bell in all Black Nickel--Black Nickel body and keys. It is one of the nicest looking saxes I've seen in a while.

SilverGhost

tonyg
11-06-2003, 04:33 PM
I recently went to a local music store with my father to buy some reeds and while we were there he tried 3 different cannonball alto's and a selmer series 3, all three cannonballs sounded better than the selmer IMO. The cannonball in the regular lacquer and all black nickle plate sounded the best to me. The lower notes were very full and rich sounding and the construction the horns looked solid.

Hornlip
11-06-2003, 05:18 PM
I heard you twice the first time! 8)

Whups!!

Stacey
11-07-2003, 07:06 PM
Last night I finally got to spend a little time with the tuner. Two general observations:

1. The horn seemed pretty consistent. Just playing "the way I always do", without making any funky embouchure changes, the little dot on the tuner stayed pretty much in the same place from note to note to note, throughout the entire normal range of the horn.

2. The horn plays sharper than I'm used to. To bring everything into tune, I had to leave a lot more cork showing than I expected. This wasn't a problem, though - it's not like I had to pull the mpc out to the point where it was about to fall off, or anything. The bottom line is that the cork extends much further than I will ever need it, unless I'm playing in a freezer or something and want to stay in tune.

Last night was also the first time I've really gotten to settle in with an exercise book and try to be "legit" with the horn, rather than just blasting Christmas carols against the walls. I was very pleased. I think I need to do some work on breath support (from being fat and lazy and aging, not because of anything I can blame on the Cannonball); the Cannonball gives me the impression that it will be a very happy horn if I open up and give it a good column of air. Even in a fairly restrained session, though, it had a very nice tone, and sounded as good on the etudes and bourrees as I'd hoped it would. I won't hesitate to play this horn in a classical quartet, just as soon as I find one.

I have a very bad habit of being happy with something and never changing it, so I must confess that I STILL haven't gotten around to trying the lacquered neck. I've been happy with the black nickel neck, and I like its looks better, so I haven't gone beyond that. But with the weekend upon me...

Stacey
11-11-2003, 09:53 PM
I forgot to mention...

For what it's worth, I have fairly small hands for a guy. Also, I've spent most of my life as an alto player. However, I still found my Cannonball tenor to fit my hands very comfortably. That surprised me, although I'm not sure why; I just figured I'd be reaching all over creation to try to reach everything, which has not at all been the case.

Hornlip
11-11-2003, 10:43 PM
Did you try the lacquer neck, yet?

cannonballska
11-17-2003, 04:06 AM
Regarding the Cheap Looking keys:
I had the same thought when I first got my Cannonball, but after letting loose on this thing playing some ripping blues I realized something: I play so fast and clean on this thing, that when I am blowing no one should be able to get close enough to see them anyways! :twisted:

Stacey
11-28-2003, 06:37 PM
Oh, I nearly forgot...

Yes, I did get to try the lacquer neck. I've played it on its own, as well as doing an evening of side-by-side comparisons with the black nickel neck.

My overall conclusion: As much as I'd like to be a sophisticated connoisseur in this area, and talk about the subtle differences... I just really can't tell any difference at all, except for the fact that my eyes are looking at a different finish. There - I've said it. As far as I'm concerned, I have a "spare" neck, not an "alternative" neck. I will probably reach for the black nickel neck most frequently, simple because 1) I think it looks better, and 2) I suspect it will resist my acidic skin oils better than the lacquer will (if past history can be used as a guide).

I still really, really like the horn. I'm not extremely happy with the mouthpiece, though, and plan to replace it with a Morgan 3C in a few months. After I get the Morgan, I might be willing to sell the Cannonball 5* mpc, but for now it's all I've got. The 5* doesn't have a LOT of edge, but it has just slightly more than I want for my mostly classical playing.

I was struck just last night by the ease with which the horn speaks, especially in the low register. I was playing some Christmas carols (not exactly brain surgery), and I began playing one that was written very low. If I were playing it on any of my other horns, I would have raised it an octave (with the possible exception of my Serie III soprano, which also speaks very well in the low register), but the Cannonball really did well, without having to blast the volume (It Came Upon a Midnight Clear is not a song to blast!).

Stacey

gothsaxchica
05-01-2004, 03:29 AM
i recently got a CBGS Big Bell tener sax and i absolutly love it to death! i love having the choice between the two necks for different sounds and the C7 mouthpiece it came with complements the sound very well. the sound quality is rich and consistant. it very rarely skweaks and only when i do something to screw up. I had a Yamaha before this and it took a little bit of adjusting to get used to the keys being that they are a little bit spread out more but it was only a matter of time before i was playing up a storm. i highly recomend this getting one of these if your looking for the next step up in saxophones.

:twisted: