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Jonathan C.
09-17-2007, 01:18 PM
I was wondering if anyone could tell me about the King Tempo, goes to Low B flat.
how do they play? I searched but could fine nothing about them. Any help would be appreaciated.

EastCoastGhost
09-17-2007, 01:26 PM
It's a keilwerth horn with straight toneholes and OK keywork/ not great mind you
if it's priced right threy're ok not great though

saxjd
09-17-2007, 02:01 PM
Carbs - use the search function. There are a number of posts on these horns.

Also, do a google search with "saxontheweb" and "king tempo" as search terms to see the posts in the archive.

In general, these are very close to Couf Superba II's. They are generally very well thought of and considered a very good horn and a very good value. I have a low A version that I really like. It has a great sound and is very responsive. I also have a low Bb version that I should receive today. I got it for about $900 and it is supposed to be in great shape. If it plays like my low A, it will be a wonderful deal.

I have an alto and tenor king tempo which I purchased in sort of rough shape that I have not liked as much as the bari.

qwerty
09-18-2007, 11:12 PM
I had a student who had a low A King Tempo Bari. Outside of some weird finger ergos, I thought it was a VERY nice blowing bari. Intonation, uniformity of sound was very good and projection was excellent. This student picked it up for a little less than 2000 dollars with a full overhaul from Joe Sax. Nice deal.

Steve

chkymnky
09-22-2007, 07:13 AM
Carbs - use the search function. There are a number of posts on these horns.

Also, do a google search with "saxontheweb" and "king tempo" as search terms to see the posts in the archive.

In general, these are very close to Couf Superba II's. They are generally very well thought of and considered a very good horn and a very good value. I have a low A version that I really like. It has a great sound and is very responsive. I also have a low Bb version that I should receive today. I got it for about $900 and it is supposed to be in great shape. If it plays like my low A, it will be a wonderful deal.

I have an alto and tenor king tempo which I purchased in sort of rough shape that I have not liked as much as the bari.

Did you get your Bb King Tempo bari yet? Do you like it?
thanks

saxjd
09-22-2007, 02:33 PM
I got it, found that it had been relacquered and took it to the shop because it had a frozen hinge rod, the low B key also closed the pad for the low Bb.

I am looking forward to see how it plays and a little anxious about the effect of the relacquer.

chkymnky
09-22-2007, 07:30 PM
I got it, found that it had been relacquered and took it to the shop because it had a frozen hinge rod, the low B key also closed the pad for the low Bb.

I am looking forward to see how it plays and a little anxious about the effect of the relacquer.

Hope it works out, if its any consolation I bought a horn on ebay once and found that it was a very old relacquer - I was initially disappointed but the horn sounds great (still my favorite) and thats what really counts (as long as your not trying to make a business out of it!)

Jonathan C.
10-22-2007, 02:35 AM
Thanks, I did what you suggested and did the Google search. Unfortunately my search was based off a E-bay listing, and I lost out. One popped up here, and depending on the work it needs I may hop on it. If the tech thinks that the damage can be repaired with no real effect on the tone, or other aspects of the horn, I will be more then interested in the horn.

Dunno, keep ya posted though. Probably see a thread about it soon if I get it.

Finnerski
10-22-2007, 03:21 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Julius-Keilwerth-Gold-SX-90-German-Baritone-Sax-Bari_W0QQitemZ200161059420QQihZ010QQcategoryZ16233QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You should have jumped on this one, Carbs. Whoever got this one practically stole it.

Jonathan C.
10-22-2007, 04:00 AM
True, but thats a lot of dough.

littlemanbighorn
10-22-2007, 06:32 AM
At the price that the one on here is at, it's worth buying as long as there's no body damage.

Jonathan C.
10-22-2007, 12:22 PM
The horn I am looking at is Ten's horn. Unfortunately it needs alot of work just from the description
King Tempo Low B-flat (58xxx)
This one needs an extensive mechanical overhaul with a bent body and many, many body dents. I was told the damage was a result of poor shipping packaging. Several posts are un-soldered, the bell to body brace at the bow end is cracked and will need to be silver soldered. There are no dents in the upper bow, but the neck curl (water key area) is out of round/bent/dented. The neck is in good shape, never pulled down before. Original lacquer around 75%. I was planning on making this horn my jazz combo/solo bari, but alas...

Would the damage described cause any tonal damage, or any long term damage?

I am also looking at a King Zephyr Bari, which does not need as much work, but its serial number dates it to 65-70, which makes it a begginer horn, right? It needs some work.

What would you recommend? Taking the PRO horn that needs alot of work, or the "begginer" horn, that doesn't need as much?

Please help!!

I am more worried about the tone, and build quality then anything else.

Seasax
10-22-2007, 12:35 PM
since when were zephs student saxes?

Jonathan C.
10-22-2007, 12:39 PM
I've heard that the later models were degraded into more of a student line horn. It needs way less work, then the Tempo. Kinda confused on which one to take.
Serial number
448436 on the King Z.

Jonathan C.
10-22-2007, 06:17 PM
Which one, the Zypher ends soon, and I need to make a quick descion, based off of what the description is.

A Student King Z.
Or a Pro King Tempo, which has some serious damage?


I need some quick answers.

Thanks.
~Carbs

SAXISMYAXE
10-22-2007, 07:03 PM
since when were zephs student saxes?
The Zephyr became relegated to Martin's student line well into the 1960's, and after the Super 20 had long supplanted it as that company's premier horn model.

By the date of this Baritone (approaching 1970), the Zephyr is certainly not the same caliber horn as it once was in the 1950's and earlier. Some would say the same of the Super 20 for that matter.

That doesn't mean it can't be a great player, in fact here is something to consider:

A lesser horn in good condition and setup properly is worth more to the player than a holy relic in deplorable nick.

Seasax
10-22-2007, 07:27 PM
do the sums, find out what the work would cost on both horns, see which is cheaper, then see if the more expensive one is worth the extra money, if it is go for it, if it isn't don't. just ask yourself whether it is worth the extra money.

csax
10-22-2007, 08:06 PM
The Zephyr became relegated to Martin's student line well into the 1960's..........

Ahem ! Of course all knew you meant "King's"..... ;) Do we detect from that Freudian slip, that you prefer Martin ?

Jonathan C.
10-22-2007, 08:28 PM
Thanks for the quick replies. I am going to chance the King Z. If I lose it, I still got the Kin Tempo I can look at. But with the damage that was listed, I am better off probably with the Z. I will let you know if I win it.

SAXISMYAXE
10-22-2007, 09:20 PM
Ahem ! Of course all knew you meant "King's"..... ;) Do we detect from that Freudian slip, that you prefer Martin ?
Ahh you are correct Sir! And it takes a Martin fan to know one wink wink.;)

I do favor the Kings too, but lack of sleep and hours upon hours of work and learning to play my new guitar have taken it's toll.:(

Jonathan C.
10-22-2007, 10:41 PM
I have decided to view the Tempo pics. If it can be salvaged, then I will do what I can to salvage it. I hope :(