View Full Version : Has any bought a Rampone & Cazzani lately
tjontheroad
08-22-2007, 03:12 AM
I'm just curious 'cause it seemed for awhile everyone was talking about these horns. Lately, not much action. Not even used sales in the marketplace. So has the thrill of these horns died out or what? I've never tried or even seen one before. Maybe all this talk of newer Asian makes is drowning out the Italians?
Thoughts...
wmclean
08-22-2007, 03:49 AM
Nope ... those of us who are so fortunate to have one, are too busy playing them to write much ... and too happy to sell them !
Cheers !
W.
Joe Jazz
08-22-2007, 04:17 AM
The prices have gone up some, so maybe everyone's buying and talking about PM's instead?;)
tjontheroad
08-22-2007, 03:10 PM
The prices have gone up some, so maybe everyone's buying and talking about PM's instead?;)
They've stayed fairly priced with Yani's and Yami's. At least with the silver plated horns. Still less than Selmer and JK. Certainly have not gone up as fast as the PM's. Maybe they need some of that marketing hype mojo we all know and love :twisted:
mattiasNYC
08-22-2007, 05:15 PM
I've been wanting to try and maybe buy one, but in the US there's just one authorized dealer and he doesn't allow for returns. I think the silver with gold keys/bell horn is beautiful and I the description of its sound makes me wanna buy it. But close to $5,000 is a bit much to shell out for something one can't try before buying.
I bet you that if they'd be more easily available so people could try them they'd sell more of them...
tjontheroad
08-22-2007, 07:21 PM
I've been wanting to try and maybe buy one, but in the US there's just one authorized dealer and he doesn't allow for returns. I think the silver with gold keys/bell horn is beautiful and I the description of its sound makes me wanna buy it. But close to $5,000 is a bit much to shell out for something one can't try before buying.
I bet you that if they'd be more easily available so people could try them they'd sell more of them...
Saxforte and Tenor Madness are now both dealers (maybe there's others). While Saxforte is no returns, I think with Tenor Madness you can return for credit towards another sax.
I agree it's a big chuck of change to lay out for something sight unseen. I don't know if these horns are worth looking into for myself, but if there was more buyers, I might take a chance.
... but if there was more buyers, I might take a chance.
You've got a III, why are you looking? What is it you need?
Maybe you could help compile the list tho'...
Fad Horn of the Year
2007 - P. Mauriat, Cannonball Stone?
2006 - Rampone?
2005 - Cannonball Global Big Bell?
2004 - Steve Goodson?
2003 - Selmer Reference?
Feel free to move, mix, and match. I think it could be interesting.
Joe Jazz
08-23-2007, 03:52 AM
You forgot the JK satin silver straight tenor!;)
tjontheroad
08-23-2007, 03:57 AM
You've got a III, why are you looking? What is it you need?
I need medication, but that's for another thread :D
I'm always looking. Nothing wrong with that. Really I was just curious as to what happened to all the love for these Italian beasts.
tjontheroad
08-23-2007, 04:09 AM
You forgot the JK satin silver straight tenor!;)
G said "fad horn of the year" not "fad horn of the week" :twisted:
segaleon
08-23-2007, 10:28 AM
I bought myself a curved soprano (silver R1) in April, and am as happy as can be. Got it through Saxforte. The sound is beautiful and sweet: a few complaints about ergonomics, but slight modifications will make it perfect.
As for price: if you buy the same horn in Europe, you pay the same tag, but in Euros, so the price in the USA is still a very good deal.
sierra
08-24-2007, 03:17 AM
Saxforte and Tenor Madness are now both dealers (maybe there's others). While Saxforte is no returns, I think with Tenor Madness you can return for credit towards another sax.
I agree it's a big chuck of change to lay out for something sight unseen. I don't know if these horns are worth looking into for myself, but if there was more buyers, I might take a chance.
From what I know, saxforte is the US Distributor not just a dealer and Tenor Madness only has used ones.
tjontheroad
08-24-2007, 03:25 AM
From what I know, saxforte is the US Distributor not just a dealer and Tenor Madness only has used ones.
According to their website, Tenor Madness is an authorized dealer.
See this ad for a new R1 Saxello
http://tenormadness.com/productDetail.asp?productId=185
Yellowhorn
08-24-2007, 12:42 PM
I am with Wmclean here - having been busy playing a silver-plated curved R1 sop since late June. I got it straight from RC company and had to pay a PAINFUL sum of Indonesian tax for it. But all of that pain disappears everytime I blow that baby!
The undetachable neck is a convenient; the keywork is smooth and modern; the build is rock-solid; the look is elegant (a bit glorious); but the sound is just AMAZING (dark, full, round, smokey). In the low register, it can be mistaken for an alto. And in the upper and altissimo, the sound is still thick and rich - not thin like some other sops.
Well, since the RC came to this Papa, my Yami YSS-62 has been sitting in its case. Maybe, I should not make her feel abandoned by taking her to a church gig this Sunday;-)
This horn was the demo curvy at RC's headquarter showroom in Quarna, Italy, before it became mine. And I just saw someone is selling his curvy, which was the demo at the IEAJ Show in 2005.
sierra
08-24-2007, 06:52 PM
According to their website, Tenor Madness is an authorized dealer.
See this ad for a new R1 Saxello
http://tenormadness.com/productDetail.asp?productId=185
Right....Tenor Madness is a "dealer", saxforte us the US Distributor.
Since Tenor Madness accepts returns...how can we be sure that his horns are "new" ?
tjontheroad
08-24-2007, 07:21 PM
Right....Tenor Madness is a "dealer", saxforte us the US Distributor.
Since Tenor Madness accepts returns...how can we be sure that his horns are "new" ?
Agreed, you can't be sure it's new. But you can be sure you're not stuck if you buy without trying first and don't like it. SC is a beautiful state. However, since my golf game isn't what it use to be, I for one am in no hurry for a road trip to SC for just a saxquest :D
Anyway, I guess this is the biggest reason for not any "just got mine" replies in this thread.
saxphil
08-24-2007, 11:20 PM
TJ,I don't know what R&C sax you are interested in but fwiw I got a R&C R1 Jazz vintage silver plate straight sop last year from Saxforte. I agree with Yellowhornblowers' assessment.Its tone is dark,the horn is very heavy,has Pisoni med. pads,fluid action.I have read criticisms of R&C's action being spongy,I don't find it so.It does not play with that nasal quality characteristic of other brands.It has a powerful sound for a sop.It comes setup inc.,packing is excellent.,no interchangeable necks.I believe it still retails for $2600.For a handmade modern horn it is very impressive.
tjontheroad
08-25-2007, 01:15 AM
TJ,I don't know what R&C sax you are interested in but fwiw I got a R&C R1 Jazz vintage silver plate straight sop last year from Saxforte. I agree with Yellowhornblowers' assessment.Its tone is dark,the horn is very heavy,has Pisoni med. pads,fluid action.I have read criticisms of R&C's action being spongy,I don't find it so.It does not play with that nasal quality characteristic of other brands.It has a powerful sound for a sop.It comes setup inc.,packing is excellent.,no interchangeable necks.I believe it still retails for $2600.For a handmade modern horn it is very impressive.
I guess what started me thinking and posting this thread was looking at the saxello mentioned before. I sold off all my sops and my 'nino except my SC-992 (that's staying put). I thought over time I might want to get other. I'm not looking to scratch that itch right away though :scratch:
saxphil
08-25-2007, 01:54 AM
I guess what started me thinking and posting this thread was looking at the saxello mentioned before. I sold off all my sops and my 'nino except my SC-992 (that's staying put). I thought over time I might want to get other. I'm not looking to scratch that itch right away though :scratch:
Modern sops don't come cheaply.I expected they would sell for less because they are smaller,not so.It's hard to fork it over especially if your also interested in the other horns.Some strike a compromise on sop and settle for for brands that sell cheaper for that reason and infrequent play perhaps in comparison to their other horns.
Still the R&C's are competitively priced,at least for a straight one in vintage silver.
wmclean
08-25-2007, 02:21 AM
I guess what started me thinking and posting this thread was looking at the saxello mentioned before. I sold off all my sops and my 'nino except my SC-992 (that's staying put). I thought over time I might want to get other. I'm not looking to scratch that itch right away though :scratch:
Mind you ... I would love to hear a side by side comparison with a R&C Jazz soprano and your SC992. ... You see, I've got a nagging itch on the other side - "just to see" of course ! :smilebox:
W.
alleysax
08-25-2007, 01:29 PM
I have a R&C R1Jazz alto in silver plate. Love it! It's beautiful, looks nice too. And yea, I'm too busy playing it to write much;)
openrivers
08-25-2007, 02:00 PM
i visited my local sax dealer yesterday.
did hold the semi curved soprano in my hands.
he told me that the curved soprano sounds like a
high alto saxophone which is a good thing in my book.
mountainman
08-25-2007, 02:17 PM
I've been wanting to try and maybe buy one, but in the US there's just one authorized dealer and he doesn't allow for returns. I think the silver with gold keys/bell horn is beautiful and I the description of its sound makes me wanna buy it. But close to $5,000 is a bit much to shell out for something one can't try before buying.
I bet you that if they'd be more easily available so people could try them they'd sell more of them...
I'm with you! I've given up on trying to own one. I corresponded with them two years ago about setting up a regional distribution network so none of us would have to drive more then 500 mles, but they obviously have plenty of business with their present format.
In the meantime I have purchased 5 horns 3 of which could have been Rampones. I really like the looks of the saxello and owners seem to like them , but I refuse to take a flier at those prices so after testing 6 brands my choice will likely be a Yani 992
tjontheroad
08-25-2007, 04:43 PM
Mind you ... I would love to hear a side by side comparison with a R&C Jazz soprano and your SC992. ... You see, I've got a nagging itch on the other side - "just to see" of course ! :smilebox:
W.
I understand :D
Phil Barone
08-30-2007, 07:47 AM
They've stayed fairly priced with Yani's and Yami's. At least with the silver plated horns. Still less than Selmer and JK. Certainly have not gone up as fast as the PM's. Maybe they need some of that marketing hype mojo we all know and love :twisted:
I'm connect to the source that makes P. Mauriat and the factory is now putting my name on them if you're interested. I have some gold-plated tenor and altos on order. They're the same thing as Mauriat but I'm charging in the area of $1,000 less. Phil
Phil Barone
08-30-2007, 07:55 AM
From what I know, saxforte is the US Distributor not just a dealer and Tenor Madness only has used ones.
I understand that the factory that is making the PM is looking to get some of the market shares in the US and that they are looking for a distributor. Their brand name is TK Melody. It would be a very hard job to get them up and running and they're not giving you any samples to get out there. The market is flooded and I think it would be a huge endeavor. Phil
queperknuckle
10-12-2007, 06:08 PM
Just got a gold-plated RC straight soprano from saxforte. The sound is very sweet, and the horn is well built. I'm gonna have lots of fun playing this one! I'm finally done buying saxes for life.
queperknuckle
10-16-2007, 11:09 PM
I am enjoying my new saxophone. Just had to make some minor adjustments and buy a mouthpiece that better suited my needs.
tjontheroad
10-16-2007, 11:22 PM
Some adjustments are typical after shipping. Did you ask saxforte if they'd help you out? Are you liking it better now?
Congrats on your new horn :)
queperknuckle
10-17-2007, 11:26 PM
Some adjustments are typical after shipping. Did you ask saxforte if they'd help you out? Are you liking it better now?
I am liking my horn. It's a lively, sweet sounding little soprano. It's hard to find time to practice both alto and soprano though. I'd definitely recommend saxforte, as their service was very professional and fast!
I am getting a R1 sopranino in vintage heavy gold plate today!!!!!I'm stoked to the MAX!!!!!!
Got my R1 nino. AWESOME SAX!!!!!!!!!!!Drop dead gorgeous finish. Makes it look like a vintage sax. The wife doen't care for the finish. She would of liked the gold polished. Excellent ergonomics. spot on intonation. Great reponse!!!!!!Very good stock mthpc!!!!!!!!!!!
jmm1713
11-08-2007, 12:47 AM
I want to buy this so badly
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=260146435710&Category=16232&_trksid=p3907.m29
pandala
11-08-2007, 12:35 PM
You've got a III, why are you looking? What is it you need?
Maybe you could help compile the list tho'...
Fad Horn of the Year
2007 - P. Mauriat, Cannonball Stone?
2006 - Rampone?
2005 - Cannonball Global Big Bell?
2004 - Steve Goodson?
2003 - Selmer Reference?
Feel free to move, mix, and match. I think it could be interesting.
Have you ever tryed or heard the sound of a Rampone...?
Injuries are a bad thing...
Frank
pandala
11-08-2007, 12:39 PM
Modern sops don't come cheaply.I expected they would sell for less because they are smaller,not so.It's hard to fork it over especially if your also interested in the other horns.Some strike a compromise on sop and settle for for brands that sell cheaper for that reason and infrequent play perhaps in comparison to their other horns.
Still the R&C's are competitively priced,at least for a straight one in vintage silver.
W ITALY, italians do it better... 8-)
Jvincze
01-10-2008, 05:53 PM
I just bought a curved Soprano from Saxforte. I wanted to beat the price increases coming because of the strength of the Euro.
The short reply is WOW!
Everything you have read about Matt's communication, service and commitment to the customer is accurate. He helped me through decision and I was done inside a week. Of course I spent a bunch of time researching and working up to the decision to buy before I talked to Matt. I looked and I couldn't find the right curved soprano used, so I had to go new.
I was down to either the SC-992 or the RC. In the end the R1 Jazz that I got was more than I had planned, but I will own this horn forever. I have a Mk VI (alto) built in '68, that I have owned for more than 25 yrs.
I have 2 hours into the thing and am a new soprano and still figuring it all out.
I got exactly what I asked for. Now it can't be the horn. Must be me. Better get back to it.
John
jazzhue
01-28-2008, 11:27 AM
I bought a soprano a year ago here in Norway. It`s a R1 Jazz.
After playing it for a year I`m never bying french saxophones again.
The sound and handcraft on my R and C is just beautiful and the sound is more personal than my selmer tenor..
openrivers
01-28-2008, 11:31 AM
I just bought a curved Soprano from Saxforte. I wanted to beat the price increases coming because of the strength of the Euro.
congratulations.
it looks very nice.
milandro
01-28-2008, 12:16 PM
No need to worry about Rampone Dr G, they are so busy that they couln't possibly produce more! They are not expanding or investing ony extra money in their marketing because it is already difficult to keep up with orders as it is.
They are working and selling at full speed.
Seriously , the renewed Italian Saxophone industry with Rampone & Cazzani, Borgani and Orsi have gone into the production of very special horns after understanding that that is the only choice to stay afloat in this day and age. They will never want or could expand to larger size operations and will stay a quality product which not everybody wants or can afford.
The same is and will always be for other brands such as Inderbinden, or custom made necks such as Gloger
wmclean
01-30-2008, 03:57 AM
Seriously , the renewed Italian Saxophone industry with Rampone & Cazzani, Borgani and Orsi have gone into the production of very special horns after understanding that that is the only choice to stay afloat in this day and age.
Orsi ... Production of very special horns ???
Tell us more. Have you played an Orsi ? A recent Pro model ? How does it compare with the R&C and or Borgani ? :?
Cheers
W.
milandro
01-30-2008, 06:45 PM
No, unfortunately, I haven't (with the exception of a very bad old alto) but I know about them (the old stuff wasn't always much of a muchness), especially the Contrabass
http://www.orsi-wind-instruments.it/
http://www.contrabass.com/pages/cbsax.html
RedBeren
01-31-2008, 04:20 AM
Reading all of these justified complaints about saxforte's no-return policy has made me glad that I only live an hour away. Once I get the money for a new horn, I'll probably take a trip down there to try some of those delicious looking R&C's. *sigh* I can't afford to have GAS this early. I'm still in high school (and as everyone knows, high schoolers never have any money). :cry:
queperknuckle
03-11-2008, 09:17 PM
Wow. I just thought I'd comment on how killin' the RC R1 jazz gold plated sop is. I've started getting used to it, and the horn always draws a crowd. This horn is just deadly. Prolly the sweetest sounding horn I own right now. The yani alto is nice too though, and also sound great.
pandala
03-12-2008, 09:58 AM
I'm just curious 'cause it seemed for awhile everyone was talking about these horns. Lately, not much action. Not even used sales in the marketplace. So has the thrill of these horns died out or what? I've never tried or even seen one before. Maybe all this talk of newer Asian makes is drowning out the Italians?
Thoughts...
Hello,
I'm very happy owner of two beautiful Rampone saxes. I play the tenor and the curved soprano. Both are R1 jazz.
I think that they are special horns because of their harmonic richness and power.
I live in Italy and I went directly to the factory to test them, and the only words I can say are: It's fantastic. I saw all the production steps, from the smallest piece to the creation of the def. shape of the instrument....It has been a magic experience for me.
Italy is passing thrugh a crisis period, economically speaking. Prices are too high, the wages are too low, the taxes too high. It's definitely not a good conjunction right now...
This negativity influences all the economy sectors, even the musical instruments sector. :cry:
I think R&C are very fine horns, and all musicians that own one and play them will say that their sound is special...
Hope not to be boring...
Frank.
milandro
03-12-2008, 10:02 AM
R& C can't keep up with the orders they are working flat out. I know for a fact and first hand that the Dutch importer went to personally pick up 10 horns just a few days ago.....doesn't seem like ther's any loss of interest in Holland! ;) Perhaps in the States because of the weak dollar. :(
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