Walstein saxophones

[Mickyd]

Walstein saxophones...too good to be true? Any experiences out there? I am particularly interested in a tenor as a back-up.

[Pete Thomas]

I bought one of their sopranos and have used it on TV recording sessions. I've borrowed a tenor, which I'm currently using for a comparison test against a 10M, The martin, MKVI and yangisawa 901. Although it quite doesn't excel at any one style like the vintage horns, it is a better all rounder than any of them. My main criticism is the height of the RH pinky keys, I prefer them a bit nearer the other RH keys, but I'm sure a good tech could fix that.

Overall I'd highly recommend it, I prefer it to the 901. It's better for rock & roll than the MKVi and better for jazz than the Martin.

I never thought I'd be saying that of a modern instrument, especially one as inexpensive as this.

[Mickyd]

Pete,

Thanks for taking the trouble to respond. At those prices it hardly even seems a gamble.

Michael

[crazydaisydoo]

I've just taken the gamble, as a second horn (my first tenor though), at £299. I'll let you know when it arrives today

They do charge postage out at £1.50 though, so bear that in mind :-)

I used to love the sound of my rented YAS-275, a £400 alto, and when I could afford to buy, I went straight to a pro alto. Sometimes these "cheaper" saxes just seem to sing more............I'll do a full report

[Mickyd]

I shall be really interested to hear how you get on with your new purchase. I have a Trevor James tenor and it sounds great although it's quite a hard blow.

£1.50 for postage is outrageous.

Looking forward to your report.

Michael

PS I live in Leicestershire coincidentally.

[crazydaisydoo]

Micheal,

It arrived today (next day service for £1.50!!, tut, I really would have expected sameday)

Superb stuff, I treated myself to an otto link from Sheehans (not the cheapest place, I know) and have had a blast playing it for the last two hours.

The fit and finish is superb, even the case is OK, no leaks, blows throughout the horn very evenly and smoothly.

I have a very nice Yamaha and Martin alto, and this seriously compares on quality, it is an absolute steal.

If you fancy popping around for a trial, I am in Houghton On The Hill, anytime.

[Mickyd]

Matthew,

Thanks for the information. I may well take you up on your offer. I live in Ashby and work in Loughborough.

I am seriously tempted to make a purchase. I was thinking of going for a P Mauriat but from what you and Pete say this could be the P Mauriat of tomorrow. Better get in quick before prices rocket and they start charging £3.00 for delivery. I'm going to sleep on it, but as you rightly say it is a steal.

I use an Otto link 6* with a Rovner lig but I've heard your work on Youtube and you're way out of my league. Very nice indeed.

How are you finding the intonation?

Thanks again for sharing.

Regards,
Michael

[crazydaisydoo]

Intonation is spot on, did some Aeberold play-alongs tonight and it sounded superb, no embouchure adjustment necessary :-)

I am not sure a new horn will solve your free-blowing problem though, that could be a reed/mpc problem. That has been my experience on the alto. Perhaps try something closer and softer (mpc and reed that is) or a different shaped chamber on the mpc. Ottos are not particulary freeblowing, methinks

[Mickyd]

Matthew,

Yes you're spot on. I have recently changed to the Otto link from a metal Selmer piece which I had been playing for a about three years. The Selmer is a lot easier to use but I get a much better sound with the Otto and it will take all the air I can put through it without any problem. My teacher (very experienced saxophonist) has tried my sax and she finds it hard work. On the plus side it is building up my diaphragm muscles.

Regards,
Michael

[Mickyd]

I have placed an order for Tuesday delivery. I shall report back.

[milandro]

OTTOs are mean beasts, takes some time to get used to them and gave and still do give my chops a hard time, perhaps I was a little too greedy going straight away to 7* from the very beginning (it was acquired by chance, it's a long story...), now I stepped down just a little on a 7 with Alexander superial (D.C. too) 2,5 and all of a sudden subtoning improved. Very nice indeed the walstein horns, who knows? I might be tempted by the price/quality.
I am very curious about these Walstein horns.

[Mickyd]

I have moved onto Alexander DC and Superial 2.5 recently. I think I prefer DC but I would be hard pressed to quantify why. I was using 3.0 but they were just proving a little too difficult for me with the Otto link.

[milandro]

yeah ! I think is the Link chamber, it is just an enormous open round space, gives you many possibilities, but it is difficult to control.

I like alexander they are very bright, I don't particularly like Vandooren but sometimes is all you can find so I make do, If I have to but then I use a S80

[Mickyd]

I sometimes use Vandoren Jazz which I like. I have also purchsed an S80 with the Walstein sax. How do you find your S80?

[milandro]

it's alright, I have a D, very easy to play but I don't like it very much, Matthew has had very fine results with it, I am less proficient with it I suppose.

I also have a super session F, now, that is totally different mpc! But somehow I liked when I bought it and now don't like it not so much you need to give pieces time.

[Mickyd]

I have ordered a D. I agree about giving mouthpieces time. When I first bough the Otto link I could barely get a sound out of it so it lay in drawer for about two years. I thought metal mouthpieces were much cooler anyway and played my Selmer metal piece. I couldn't go back to the Semer mouthpiece now as it just sounds so harsh in comparison with the Otto link. I bought a Berg Larsen metal mouthpiece on ebay but found it too difficult to control because it has a fairly wide lay. I can play it now but for me it is nowhere near as nice as the Otto.

[Spooner]

Do you know of any US distributors? I've looked around on the web and haven't found much.

[rispoli]

I've ordered one Walstein bronze tenor today, I'll report once it comes including how long was the wait.
Cheaper shipping I ever experienced on the net: 8.5 British Pounds to Canada! Of course no VAT, about 263 GBP total cost.
Since the shipping is so reasonable I think there is no need to look for a north american distributor.

[ianhart]

Wow! Based on what everyone else has been saying (VERY quick shipping in UK), I would expect it to come within a week or so!

[sw284]

Hey,
I have been looking to buy a Walstein sax after the various reviews I have heard about it but cant find anywhere that delivers them for only £1.50. Which website was this deal on?

[Honker]

http://www.woodwindandbrass.co.uk/acatalog/delivery.html

There you go!

[Rackety Sax]

I've ordered one Walstein bronze tenor today, I'll report once it comes including how long was the wait.
Cheaper shipping I ever experienced on the net: 8.5 British Pounds to Canada! Of course no VAT, about 263 GBP total cost.
Since the shipping is so reasonable I think there is no need to look for a north american distributor.
8.5 to Canada? The shopping cart shows 80 British pounds to the U.S. Not that I'm thinking of buying another saxophone...

[rispoli]

8.5 to Canada? The shopping cart shows 80 British pounds to the U.S. Not that I'm thinking of buying another saxophone...

This is what my invoice (received after the sax was shipped) shows:

Subtotal: GBP254.47
Shipping & Handling: GBP8.50
Total: GBP262.97

Sounds strange that shipping to Canada comes cheaper than to the USA by so much. I'd inquire if that's a possible glitch into their order system.

[Canadiain]

£8.50 to ship to canada is surely some sort of mistake. I dont think Ive gotten even the smallest Xmas parcel from family in the UK that hasnt cost at least that much to ship here. Anyway, be sure to let us know how long it takes to get here and what you think of it when it arrives.

Sure enough, when I pretend to go through the checkout it gives £75

[rispoli]

£8.50 to ship to canada is surely some sort of mistake. I dont think Ive gotten even the smallest Xmas parcel from family in the UK that hasnt cost at least that much to ship here. Anyway, be sure to let us know how long it takes to get here and what you think of it when it arrives.

Sure enough, when I pretend to go through the checkout it gives £75

True, I just tried and I also get £75.
Maybe they realized with my order the glitch on their system. They have been very fair in honoring what quoted in the actual invoice.

[rispoli]

Just received and had a chance to open it but not play.
Looks more than sturdy and I don't really have the feeling that it's built with soft metal. Pads (of a weird red color) seem to seal well, case is cheap in look but very functional. Also the sax looks somehow cheap in look because of the poor engravings and unstylish logo but I can't certainly pass on those given the price.

I will post later my impressions and will try to compare to a T901 just as Pete Thomas will do.
Waiting for the more relevant test of a pro like him, maybe some of you might be interested in my sax hobbyst comparison...

I can certainly already praise the seller Woodwind & Brass: shipped DHL on last tuesday and first attempted delivery on friday. Also very good communication and customer service, as is my usual experience with UK-based companies (certainly not just in the music instruments retail industry).

[Canadiain]

Also very good communication and customer service, as is my usual experience with UK-based companies (certainly not just in the music instruments retail industry).
Blimey, wish I could say the same as my experience of customer service in the UK is anything but...highlited on a recent trip back with our very first customer service encounter, waiting what seemed several minutes at Gatwick while the girl selling train tickets finished her (obviously) personal cell phone conversation before she deigned to serve us.

Reminded me why I was glad to leave.

Anyway, I guess thats not really relevent, let us know how it plays!

[rispoli]

Blimey, wish I could say the same as my experience of customer service in the UK is anything but...highlited on a recent trip back with our very first customer service encounter, waiting what seemed several minutes at Gatwick while the girl selling train tickets finished her (obviously) personal cell phone conversation before she deigned to serve us.

Reminded me why I was glad to leave.


In my statement I was actually referring more to my business dealings with UK firms. Working as a CIO I have a lot of procurement to do and, if it was for me, everything else being equal I would outsource almost everything to UK firms.

Believe me, I also have my share of frustrations when being there for tourism : still less than average, though!

[ptung]

Do you know of any US distributors? I've looked around on the web and haven't found much.

With thanks to Pete T and Stephen H for turning me onto them, I will be working with Martin at Woodwind and Brass, UK, to make these available via a US outlet, with US pre-sales & after-sales service.

[milandro]

With thanks to Pete T and Stephen H for turning me onto them, I will be working with Martin at Woodwind and Brass, UK, to make these available via a US outlet, with US pre-sales & after-sales service.

Good Luck! :)

[ptung]

Thanks, Milandro. :)

[EricM]

I bought one of their sopranos and have used it on TV recording sessions. I've borrowed a tenor, which I'm currently using for a comparison test against a 10M, The martin, MKVI and yangisawa 901. Although it quite doesn't excel at any one style like the vintage horns, it is a better all rounder than any of them. My main criticism is the height of the RH pinky keys, I prefer them a bit nearer the other RH keys, but I'm sure a good tech could fix that.

Overall I'd highly recommend it, I prefer it to the 901. It's better for rock & roll than the MKVi and better for jazz than the Martin.

I never thought I'd be saying that of a modern horn. :shock::? Hello Pete. Which model tenor are you using ? Is it the laquered, Phosphorus copper or deep gold laquer ? Thanks.

[saxpiece]

Worldwide distribution would be good.

I wish they were distributed in Australia but I don't think the market is very big here but maybe there is a market here.

[Pete Thomas]

Hello Pete. Which model tenor are you using ? Is it the laquered, Phosphorus copper or deep gold laquer ? Thanks.

It was lacquered Phosphor Bronze.

BTW, Eric, you put my text in your post without quotes, so it looks like you wrote it. Can you edit it to make the quotes correct please?

[CONN-hunter]

BTW, Eric, you put my text in your post without quotes

Indeed. I was surprised to read that Eric was doing some TV recordings since I know in what he does work.:D

[Peter B]

I've been playing a Walstein phosphor bronze tenor for 18 months now. It's worked pretty hard in that time, at least 12 to 15 hours a week including practice at home, and it even got soaking wet once when I helped out a marching band on an outdoor gig and it chucked down with rain.

Ok so how has it stood up. Well, all the laquer has gone from the thumb rest and palm keys, and from the top of the bell where I always grab it to pick it up. I've had to have one pad replaced, (before the soaking), and several corks dropped off after the soaking, which I easily replaced myself. The action has remained pretty firm and is much as it was when it came out of the box. There are no obvious signs of the stacks wearing or loosening, but a couple of months ago I started to get venting problems on low E so I raised the low D pad a little which seems to have sorted it. I'm not sure why this problem arose.

All in all this has been a very worthy and serviceable horn. I play with people who play 'pro' Yams and Yanis and I'd put the Walstein against any of them at any time for tone quality, especially down low. OK so the laquer's a bit thin but it's a small price to pay, (literally!!), and I'd recommend this saxophone to anyone.

PB

PS: I see that the new Bauhaus 'pro' tenor is in the UK shops at around £1200. Hmmm.... got to be worth a look.

[ptung]

I've been playing a Walstein phosphor bronze tenor for 18 months now. It's worked pretty hard in that time, at least 12 to 15 hours a week including practice at home, and it even got soaking wet once when I helped out a marching band on an outdoor gig and it chucked down with rain.

Ok so how has it stood up. Well, all the laquer has gone from the thumb rest and palm keys, and from the top of the bell where I always grab it to pick it up. I've had to have one pad replaced, (before the soaking), and several corks dropped off after the soaking, which I easily replaced myself. The action has remained pretty firm and is much as it was when it came out of the box. There are no obvious signs of the stacks wearing or loosening, but a couple of months ago I started to get venting problems on low E so I raised the low D pad a little which seems to have sorted it. I'm not sure why this problem arose.

All in all this has been a very worthy and serviceable horn. I play with people who play 'pro' Yams and Yanis and I'd put the Walstein against any of them at any time for tone quality, especially down low. OK so the laquer's a bit thin but it's a small price to pay, (literally!!), and I'd recommend this saxophone to anyone.

PB

PS: I see that the new Bauhaus 'pro' tenor is in the UK shops at around £1200. Hmmm.... got to be worth a look.

PB, fwiw, I think the moisture probably had a role to play, as far as any cork or linkage materials falling off. If you have time, please relate to me either here or privately exactly which corks or linkages came off. I may make it standard to replace those with contact cement and appropriate material on the examples that come through JS.

Lacquer loss surprises me. The coat on the one I have seems on thick side if anything -- maybe it is the thickness of the brass misleading me to feel that it is.

Some things I have found that might interest you: your E issue may actually be both the height of the low D and low C -- opening low C both E and D greatly for me.

Additionally, with my Ponzol II-V-I, low B and low Bb want to be very open as well. If tone or intonation seems stuffy or flat, respectively, on either C or B, opening the next lowest (by pitch) open keycup height will improve response.

I found the low B particularly improved by opening the low Bb -- more so than is usual.

[ptung]

Re pads, the skein being used is first rate, I think. I think it is associated -- either comes from or is also used by -- a well known pad manufacturer (genuinely in Italy) that makes excellent pads. The felt used is not as firm as I'd like, but then neither are the felts on almost any off-the-line saxophone, up into the most expensive ("Big Four") range. If pads fail, and it's the current pad you are talking about, that would likely point to some other problem, maybe a burr on a tonehole, improper seating, something -- something other than the pad itself, though. Again, that is if it's the pad that is currently being used, and not a predecessor. I believe there is a post with info somewhere on the site about the pad having been switched in the recent past.

[rogerb40uk]

Well, a I have said elsewhere, I couldn't be happier with my alto, which has had praise from:
a highly respected player, a tech of similar standing, a competing manufacturer, and my sax teacher who's been playing for 50+ years :)

[skatkat]

I checked online and they list the alto price at 399 (british pound) and right underneath it shows a US price of 520.00.
But, if you do a currency conversion of the 399 (pound) it is actually 650.00 US ??
So I am guessing that it would actually be over 700.00 w/ shipping ?

[clarnibass]

I checked online and they list the alto price at 399 (british pound) and right underneath it shows a US price of 520.00.
But, if you do a currency conversion of the 399 (pound) it is actually 650.00 US ??
So I am guessing that it would actually be over 700.00 w/ shipping ?
The price in GBP is including VAT and the price in USD is excluding VAT. If you order from USA you pay the price without the VAT.

[milandro]

any sales outside the EU from an EU company should be without charging the VAT, also, if one sells to trade within the EU one has to sell (should really) without VAT.

[Peter B]

OK Jahjahjahjah...the low E and low D screw adjuster corks came off, so I replaced all three just to be sure, and the C side pad cork came off too so I replaced the cork on the side Bb pad below it as well, again just to make sure.

On key heights, though I'm a reluctant 'fiddler' with the regulation of my horns, (I have a Walstein alto as well), I will try minor adjustments according to the best advice I can get when it's necessary. The best advice I could find on venting problems is here: http://www.musicmedic.com/info/articles/num_25.html so I went through that procedure with my tenor after the soaking and cork replacements and it definitely improved things.

On the laquer, my tenor has had a lot of handling on sweaty gigs, so to be honest I'm not surprised the laquer's coming off in places. My alto gets much less handling than my tenor, and its laquer is still in perfect condition after 2½ years.

Back on thread, I'm very happy with both my Walsteins. I love the tenor's full-bodied tone down low and the way it projects when needed. It took me a while to get the 'business end' combination right on the tenor though, and I settled on a Meyer 5M, Francois Louis lig and Gonzales 2¾ reed on the tenor which works great. Strangely perhaps, I get the best out my Walstein alto with a Link 5*, Rovner lig and Vandoren 2. Life's a mystery sometimes !!

PB

[ptung]

PB - I'm wondering if the materials on the W I have here are the same as yours -- if you have time, can you take pictures of these materials and either post them here or email them to me? inquiries@justsaxes.com

I'm curious mainly because, if I understand you correctly, what you are talking about aren't actually corks on my example, they're kind of a white, synthetic material that is sort of like a really firm, small, mushed marshmallow. The material I'm talking about -- which, again, may or may not be the same -- is at least relatively new to saxophone manufacturing, in my experience.

To change the heights I mentioned, all you have to do is loosen (turn counterclockwise) the felt bumpers for those keys. Those bumpers on my example are firmed with an adhesive, so you might want to have a tech do this the first time you do it. If you can't identify the bumpers, you might not want to be the one to turn them the first time (no offense -- looking out for your best interest, here, and speaking from experience).

[Peter B]

OK jahjah......we're drifting off Mickyd's topic here, so I've emailed. I'll just say again, for what it's worth, Walstein saxes are damned good value for money and compare very favourably in my view with horns I've played alongside which cost twice and three times as much.

[ptung]

Peter -

If you did not see my post earlier, I plan to carry these in the US.

If you are having issues, I want to know what they are. I think you may feel I'm trying to troubleshoot or undermine your complaints. I'm not. I just want you to clarify so that I -- and others -- may know what you're talking about. If your issues apply to the current production model, or point to improvement areas -- or, also, if they don't -- I'm sure the information would be topical not just to me but to future shoppers in this market.

Did not receive any email (or PM) from you.

[Edit: Peter - thanks - I just got your email, delayed by hours for some reason. For the future public reference: the materials mentioned were the white discs -- these are still in use. This material is new to me. I'll see if I can figure out (will experiment to see) if there's a particular reason you had this issue.]

[ptung]

I am a terrible saxophonist -- mostly, I only play when I work on saxophones, do not practice at all, & almost did not touch a saxophone at all for a year after Katrina, excepting spot repairs to keep friends working -- but this might be handy for that reason:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=62638898

I think I've seen two clips of Walstein tenors being played, both by players much better than me. Probably handy to hear what someone much less accomplished sounds like on one.

There are three parts, showing different things that won't really make sense out of context. It's video of me on the Walstein after making some adjustments. It's intended for comparison to the "before" (latter is not yet transfered from camera).

Edit: Here's the "before," clips from the actual playtest straight out of the box. If you can get past my S.O.'s barking dogs, you can hear me discovering/trying out how different voicings affect response, struggling with the bottom end when I put more air in.

On another thread, or in another place -- not sure if it was here or not, don't have time to look -- I saw a comment by someone discussing how her/his Walstein seemed to have two speeds, or two modes. I think that player may have been experiencing what you see me experiencing in this vid, i.e. the "before" vid:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=62641351

p.s. sorry about the inadvertent crotch shot. Never been into posting my face to the internet.

[Stacey]

p.s. sorry about the inadvertent crotch shot. Never been into posting my face to the internet.

Posting your crotch to the Internet, though, doesn't bother you at all. :twisted:

I kid, of course. Thanks for the clips.

[wogeax]

When will you begin to carry the Walstein in U.S.? Perhaps we can save a few dollars instead of ordering from UK?

[ptung]

[dbl post]

[ptung]

Posting your crotch to the Internet, though, doesn't bother you at all. :twisted:

I kid, of course. Thanks for the clips.

If you saw my face, you would understand. It's a face only an S.O.'s psychotic, saxophone attacking dogs could love. :(

Wogeaux, I haven't figured out pricing, but it probably won't be that much cheaper than from the UK. The advantage will be that the sale would be through a (dependable) US company, and me specifically. The sale, the end-shipping, and any potential warranty issues would be domestically handled (you wouldn't have to ship back to the UK in the event of needing warranty service, etc.).

I will offer some additional services, but the chances of the middle-man (me) undercutting the factory/wholesaler on the basic price, are slim.

The final net price will probably be about the same.

[kwgrinnell]

I'd love to know what the bari is like. I am currently starting my search for a good bari gain. I use to play it exclusively for years and then dropped it to concentrate on tenor and bass guitar. Got the bari bug again.

K

42 yrs of sax and going strong

[Al Carter]

I came very close to ordering a BW curved sop from Martin at Woodwind and Brass Ltd in London, but stumbled across a used Venus curvie that suits my needs just fine. The BW's certainly have gained a favorable review, just about anywhere you look. Martin only charges about $20 I think to ship to the U.S., too. Now I've got my eye on the BW nino. And the bari certainly looks good, too.

Jah, when do you think you'll be "open for business?"

[Peter B]

Hi again Jah. Thanks for the email reply. I have to stress that when my Walstein got wet I mean it got very seriously wet. It was like dunking it in the bath for 10 minutes. It was an outdoor gig with a marching band I was helping out and the heavens opened in the middle of their display. We carried on playing, to my astonishment, and everyone got soaked to the skin. The clarinet players with wooden bodied intruments were going mental over it. In a way it's a testament to the Walstein that only a couple of corks fell off after that. I don't think any sax would come throuh a soaking like that unscathed. Though I mentioned earlier that the laquer appeared to be a bit thin on the Walstein, it's also a testament to the sax that after its soaking all the water marks on the body just wiped off and the laquer came up looking good. It's only worn off on my tenor where it's had a lot of sweaty handling.

As for its sound, I probably can't help you there. I'm one of these boring people who can't improvise, won't improvise, and has to read the dots. The only recordings I have of me are some of my practice routines where I record and listen to myself to improve tone, intonation, tempo, timing and other performance issues. One of my favourite practice routines is recording all the parts of saxophone quartets scored for AAAT, of which I have lots. I've got a Walstein alto as well and record all the parts using N-Track Studio that I've got on my PC. This is a very telling pracitce routine which will expose any and all flaws in a player's techniques, but there's no way I'm posting these recording on the Net I'm afraid!!

I don't think you should have any concerns about becoming a Walstien outlet in the USA, albeit that Woodwind and Brass here in the UK might be a bit upset because I think they sell a lot to your side of the pond. The Bauhaus Walsteins were talking about here are Chinese-made of course, but you might also want to take a look at the new Taiwanese-made Bauhaus M6 'pro' tenor with roo pads and noyek resonators selling for just £1200 in UK. I'm tempted, that's for sure.

Good luck
PB

[ptung]

KW - I think Pete Thomas has a link to him playing a Walstein bari on this site somewhere, in a post (howdy Pete).

Al - I think I am OK to begin with them now, but need to discuss a bit more before I make pricing public. If there's something you are looking for, please feel free to email me.

Peter - many thanks for the info. Bauhaus is branded by Woodwind and Brass UK, I believe. I am working with, not against, them.

[Pete Thomas]

I'd love to know what the bari is like.
[QUOTE=jahjahjahjah;1229784]KW - I think Pete Thomas has a link to him playing a Walstein bari on this site somewhere, in a post (howdy Pete).

This is my bari:
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[EricM]

Thank you Pete for taking the time to put out this video. I enjoyed it very much. The one of you playing the silver Walstein alto was fantastic as well. I would really like to see and hear one of the tenor model. That is the one that I am interested in. If anyone has a recording of the Walstein tenor, it would be most appreciated. Again, Pete : thanks for sharing your knowledge and insight. :thumbrig:

[ptung]

From the onboard camera mic on my Sony MiniDV -- the player is unfamiliar with all the horns except the Super 20 (his):

Walstein:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1oe4oLmHuQ

MKVII:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzYMhfgvoPI

Conn "Chu Berry" (custom Gloger neck):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMd8Gws23sE

King Super 20:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--WDGTsLyWc

Walstein w/Ponzol II-V-I:
(a) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fNxYfdWrPc
(b) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPylnjkAbtU

Everything sounds much darker and duller through the camera mic. My clips earlier were with the same II-V-I that the player here uses on the last clips. I think I sound fairly dark on it, but he sounded almost shrill on it. IMO, it's interesting to see how he reacts to the different personalities of the horns in terms of what he immediately decides to play. That kind of tells you more about the tonal characteristics than these crappy, low-res recordings.