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Hornlip
09-28-2003, 01:34 AM
Recently picked up an "Imperial" tenor -- not the student horn from the 60's but the pro model that came between the Troubador & Committee I. At his site, Saxpics characterizes the horns as something of a "transitional" horn between the earlier Martin horns & the Committee. Judging from some of the pictures he's got there, that's about correct. This one is in the 112xxx series, just before the Committee appeared, & has several Committee-style features, most obviously in the left-hand pinky table, the thumb rest, and nickel-plated keywork. The earlier Imperials don't seem to have all those features.

This Imperial's also got an unusual feature in the palm keys. The arm on the D key extends beyond the D key cup up and over to rest on top of the palm D# key cup -- like a helper extension. If you only depress the D# palm key, the D opens up with it, correctly sounding the D# note. I don't know if any of the earlier Martin tenors, including the earlier Imperials, had this feature or not. I guess this was intended to made transitions to D# from high F or F# using the front-F key easier, and actually, it is!!

The horn's also got the unusual E-flat trill this horn is known for -- the tone hole is positioned on the right side of the horn under & somewhat behind the low D tone hole, with the trill key extending out under the D tone hole. You still play the trill the same way, by lifting up your right-hand middle finger. This actually seems to be an improvement over the standard two-part E-flat trill with the extra key and tone hole on the left side of the bell -- one fewer component to go wrong. It seems more stable. It also sounds the E-flat note clearer than I've heard on other horns with the more usual arrangement, though it's still stuffier than regular E-flat. Of course, unlike the usual trill arrangement where you can cork the key shut if you like, here you're committed to keeping the trill key in operation, unless you solder the tone hole closed.

It's interesting that Martin kept the E-flat trill, but had dispensed with the G# trill, the reverse of the other American makers of the time. Buescher's Aristocrat & Conn's 6 & 10M horns retained the G# trill in the 30's, and the early Zephys had it, too. Martin subsequently dropped the E-flat trill with the Committee, making them the first U.S. maker to ditch both of 'em. I guess no one knew exactly where the music was headed, & Martin jumped one way while everybody else jumped the other.

The horn's in excellent physical condition, though it's reportedly been cooped up since the late 50's. Consequently the pads are about ready to come apart. It does play enough to make me glad I grabbed it, though. Actions' pretty snappy, quick & light. Quick check on intonation looks pretty solid. Oh, and it's a heavy horn -- no sign of ever having been relacquered. It's got a nice gone-to-brass patina on it.

This is the only Martin tenor I've played since I was good enough a player to discern a sax's essential nature, and I like this one's nature!! Only other tenor I've got is a later 30's Aristocrat, and they're both coming from the same direction -- big & lush, though I find the 'Crat to have more "center" to the tone. Somewhere I heard somebody liken the Martin tenor's sound to a "velvet fist", and I think it's going to hold true here, especially once I get it repadded.

Pads on it now are thin, and feature a mix of smallish flat metal resonators, a couple domed metal resos & some plain leather. I'll get it set up with either larger flat metal or domed plastic, and then we'll see how she sings.

Anyhow, there's a general service FYI report for Martin fans-- 8) .

Kenfen
09-28-2003, 01:41 AM
Thanks for the info... that sounds like a nice horn. those 30's horns are killer, and I'm glad to hear about this one. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to play one sometime. I have a "searchlights" Tenor that I like very much. Once you get the Martin rebuilt, I'd be curious about a real in depth shootout between the Crat and the Imperial.

Regards,

Kenfen

garyinla
10-01-2003, 12:54 AM
Hi
I am playing on an alto Handcraft Imperial.
If you want to sell that tenor one away, feel free to email me, please.

garyinla@aol.com

Hornlip
10-01-2003, 04:15 AM
Hmm. I take it you like your alto!!

:wink:

I'm not ready to part with this one just yet. . . .

Pinnman
10-07-2003, 07:55 PM
I have put a post on the What horn do you play thread, but there is one comment whcih is pertinent here. This refere to Hornlip's comment about the auxiliary keys.

I have a Typewriter alto from 1930 which has neither G# trill or E b auxiliary key. The Eb looks to have been re-instated later before being dropped altogether. In spite of the finger earls and the split bell keys, the Typewriter has a much more modern feel to me.

Just an afterthought, I recently sold a Dolnet alto from 1955 with G# trill and Eb auxiliary keys as well as a miro-tuner on the neck and a RH D trill key. A different world in Europe (especially France).

Hornlip
10-07-2003, 10:27 PM
I have a Typewriter alto from 1930 which has neither G# trill or E b auxiliary key. The Eb looks to have been re-instated later before being dropped altogether. In spite of the finger earls and the split bell keys, the Typewriter has a much more modern feel to me.

Just an afterthought, I recently sold a Dolnet alto from 1955 with G# trill and Eb auxiliary keys as well as a miro-tuner on the neck and a RH D trill key. A different world in Europe (especially France).

Very interesting. Martin certainly did a lot of experimenting in just a few years, considering the quick progression from the plain "Handcraft" series through the typewriter horns, Troubadour, Imperial to Committee.

Interesting about the Dolnet. I think classical players like the extra key features. I've been told that classical players who like Buescher Aristocrats go for the 30's versions, which retained the G# trill.

I know in the U.S. Conn kept the G# trill on the 6M & 10M until the early 50's -- I've got a '53 6M with the trill. They had dropped the micro-tuner mayber a year or so before.