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debitspread
09-04-2003, 10:39 PM
Paul Coats has a great article called "Beginner's Corner 1". The second part of that essay has 2 mnemonics to help you remember the order in which flats and sharps are added.

Paul's 2 mnemonics are:

Flats: "BE A Darned Good Country Fiddler" and
Sharps: "Four City Girls Dance An Excellent Ballet"

Well, I liked his basic idea, but wanted to do something to tweak up the memory helpers.

So here's what my wife and I came up with:

Flats: "Boring Ed Always Drove Good Clean Fords" and
Sharps: "Four Crazy Guys Drank At Ed's Bar"

Paul -- if you're reading this -- forgive me for messing with your concept, but I find these 2 sayings easier to remember!

If anyone else can think of some cool sayings, have at it.

Cheers,

Debitspread

Billy The Fish
09-04-2003, 10:55 PM
Well, I liked his basic idea, but wanted to do something to tweak up the memory helpers.

Paul -- if you're reading this -- forgive me for messing with your concept, but I find these 2 sayings easier to remember!



I am sure Paul will be the first to admit that this is not his idea. The use of mnemonics to help memorise flats/sharps has been around a loooong time.

Here are the ones I use:

Sharps

Fat Cats Get Down At Ed's Barbecue (learnt this from a book ages ago, but I cannot remember which)

Flats

(Fat) Blokes Eat All Day, Getting Chubbier (the F is at the start as this mnemonic taught me the flat keys in order - 1b, 2bs etc. However, to learn the order in which flats build is of course the same, just starting on the second word and looping round)

And don't ever apologise for changing mnemonics. The whole point of mnemonics is that they should be personal to you to help create the "hook" in your brain that makes you remember. I strongly recommend that people never use someone elses mnemonic. Take the basic idea, and create your own. I bet your own in will stick in your mind for longer than anyone elses. It also means you can make it as rude as you like, as long as you don't share it with those that might be easily shocked :wink: . Debit, I think yours are pretty good - as for Paul C, well sorry but I think yours suck :wink: . The best mnemonics have you visualizing the images you create in your mind. Now I have a very clear picture of "fat cats" getting funky at a bbq, but I am struggling seeing myself as a darn good fiddler (it might make me go blind :shock: )

Billy The Fish

gary
09-04-2003, 11:41 PM
These are the ones I was taught when I was a lad:

Farmer Brown eats apple dumplings greedily.
Good deeds are ever bearing fruits.

DavidH
09-07-2003, 04:23 AM
Anyone else just remember FCGDAEB and BEADGCF? Pneumonics just have never worked with me... :(

orions_belt27
09-07-2003, 05:31 AM
yeah i did~ that and also the mnemonics :D

paulwl
09-07-2003, 06:33 AM
Here's the only one you need to know...
...because it reads both forward and backward!

SHARPS:
Fat Charlie Gets Donuts After Eating Breakfast

FLATS:
Breakfast Eating After Donuts Gets Charlie Fat

And along with your music lesson you get a little dietary advice...classic!

paulwl
09-07-2003, 06:37 AM
:oops: double posted again...it's good but not that good...

paulwl
09-07-2003, 06:40 AM
:roll:

orions_belt27
09-07-2003, 08:50 AM
paulwl: Here's the only one you need to know...
...because it reads both forward and backward!

SHARPS:
Fat Charlie Gets Donuts After Eating Breakfast

FLATS:
Breakfast Eating After Donuts Gets Charlie Fat

And along with your music lesson you get a little dietary advice...classic!


Hey Paul, borrowing your idea, i came up with this:

SHARPS:
Fit Charlie Gets Dinner After Exercising Body

FLATS:
Body Exercising After Dinner Gets Charlie Fit

HAHA! All in the name of GOOD HEALTH :lol: :D :lol: so after the diet, one can use some good exercise hahah!

mostly alto guy
09-07-2003, 01:55 PM
My HS band director's favorites, and the ones I still remember, were:

Fred Caught Gertrude Down At Ernie's Bar

and

Be Efficient, And Don't Go Crappin' (on the) Floor

Amy
09-08-2003, 10:32 PM
These are the ones I've been taught:
Sharps:
Father Charles Goes Down And Ends Battle
Flats:
Battle Ends And Down Goes Charles' Father

larry
09-08-2003, 10:57 PM
How about some jazz Haikus:

Sharps:
Funky Cannonball
Gets Down. Articulating,
Estimating Bird

Flats:
Brubeck's Energy;
Activating Desmond's Great
Chromatic Figures

modre
09-09-2003, 08:35 PM
C F Bb Eb Ab Db Gb B E A D G C
Cats Frickin' Bury Easy Answers w/ Detours
Grappling w/Borrowed Epitaths And Diverting General Comprehension.

C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# F C
Crap Goes Downhill Always... Educate By Fourths
Cause Good Directions Are Free ...Cie?

learn your 4ths and 5ths... you'll never have to resort to parlor tricks again ... go to the spoon-fed music lesson...digest it over a reasonable period of time and grow some hair on your chest. the only thing you need besides that is a collection of fake books, and listen to everyone on record. that's the short cut...that's it.

Tommy:

I'M FREE-I'm free,
And freedom tastes of reality,
I'm free-I'm free,
AN' I'm waiting for you to follow me.

If i told you what it takes
to reach the highest high,
You'd laugh and say 'nothing's that simple'
But you've been told many times before
Messiahs pointed to the door
And no one had the guts to leave the temple!

I'm free-I'm free
And freedom tastes of reality
I'm free-I'm free
And i'm waiting for you to follow me.

Chorus:
How can we follow?
How can we follow?
How can we follow?
How can we follow?

JL
09-12-2003, 08:18 PM
Anyone else just remember FCGDAEB and BEADGCF?(

For some reason this is the way I learned it also.

Just in case anyone hasn't noticed, the order for sharps is simply the reverse of that for flats. AND of course it follows around the circle of fifths for sharps and the circle of fourths (the reverse direction) for flats.

DezzaG
09-13-2003, 02:45 AM
Freddie Can Get Drunk At Every Bar

Kids love it!!!

Jazzophone
09-14-2003, 07:35 PM
How about some jazz Haikus:

Sharps:
Funky Cannonball
Gets Down. Articulating,
Estimating Bird

Flats:
Brubeck's Energy;
Activating Desmond's Great
Chromatic Figures

HA HA HA! That is my new favourite. I may not be able to remember them perfectly (I, too, was reared on the classic "Father Charles" mnemonics), but jazz haikus for the sharps and flats are ingenious!

yana sax
12-22-2003, 06:36 PM
Hey, beat this. I came up with an immense Christmas one for the sharps!!!

Father Christmas Gave Dad An Electric Blanket!

SaxGirlU2
02-11-2004, 08:52 AM
I always just remembered the word bead and then GCF as greatest common factor-like you use in math and were taught in grade school. ("What's the GCF of this?") for flats. so I always think bead and then greatest common factor. And for sharps..just reverse it.